English players Dual Nationality thread #2

Discussion in 'England' started by roverman, Sep 26, 2020.

  1. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Loads of England-eligible boys in the Scotland U18 squad.

    Jack Dallimore (Bolton)
    Julian Donnery (Lincoln)
    Johnny Emerson (Newcastle)
    Louis Jackson (Man Utd)
    Jack Kingdon (Man Utd)
    Noah McCann (QPR)
    Josh Squires (Southampton)
    Woody Williamson (Ipswich)
    Max Woodcock (Crewe)

    Williamson is a goalkeeper I'm a big fan of, also quite like Squires.
     
  2. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
  3. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    Suprised to see Omari Hutchinson still there, I thought we'd get him back, particularly with basically all the usual under 20's wide players likely not being available for selection for the world cup in May
     
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  4. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    I mean, you can see the case - Jamaica has been trying to set him up as a core young piece of the future senior side for the last 8 to 9 months. He got a senior cap immediately (albeit in a practice game), and the federation worked hard to get him his passport in September and has been trying to call him repeatedly since (Chelsea shut down the last call in Fall). Going with Jamaica now means senior tournament experience as soon as this summer, and a solid chance at a WC in 2026. Jamaica has nearly 50 games scheduled between now and November 2025, and there's a pretty clear path for him to have a couple dozen caps by age 22.

    Meanwhile in England, he's not even really a lock for the U20s...
     
  5. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Some players have no ambition I'm afraid. He obviously likes having his summers off because he won't be taking part in international tournaments.
     
  6. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    We're not Turks & Caicos or San Marino - Jamaica can offer tournament football.

    2023 is a Gold Cup (Jamaica has only missed 3 of the last 14 Gold Cups, they are almost always there)
    The 2024 Copa America will be a summer tournament - Jamaica has solid odds of qualifying (best 6 CONCACAF teams will be going, Jamaica is already roughly 6th in the region)
    2025 is another Gold Cup
    2026 is a World Cup (48 teams = pretty solid odds of qualification for Jamaica)

    That's a minimum of 2, and potentially 4 summer tournaments at the senior international level before he even turns 23.
    Could he get that with England? Possibly, although it seems unlikely (again - is he even an Under-20 lock?) and if he did it almost certainly wouldn't be as a senior international.
     
  7. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
    I see looking closer this is actually not for the international break. Jamaica actually have a competitive game in the window in a couple of weeks. That will be more telling of his intentions, having previously not played in the competitive games back in June after playing a friendly, presumably to preserve eligibility.

    Certainly he's seemingly behind his competition, though its difficult to tell at his age and most of them are playing senior football in some way which makes them harder to compete with. Still, I'd be surprised to see him commit as a teenager. He'll have a much better idea of his long term prospects in a couple of years after he's presumably started playing senior football and would still have plenty of time to commit before the world cup if Jamaica is looking a better option.
     
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  8. Athlone

    Athlone Member+

    Feb 2, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Jamaica
    The fact that these are friendlies definitely matters. He's so far played in a training match and may debut in a friendly against Trinidad in a few days. The fact that he's appearing for these games and has done the work to secure his passport is a positive sign for his commitment to Jamaica, but it certainly won't mean as much if he doesn't open himself up to a (provisional) cap tie. The squad for the March 26 match in Mexico City will probably be named in 10-12 days, so we'll know soon enough.

    Chelsea really screwed him on deadline day. He should be working up some EFL Championship experience right now.
     
  9. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Watford goalkeeper Jonathan Macaulay was with a Sweden U18 camp last week.
     
  10. JAMC_

    JAMC_ Member

    England
    Jul 4, 2022
  11. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Read into this what you will but he follows the England football team on insta and not Scotland.
    I also read he turned down an u21 offer from Scotland in the last international break, choosing to go on holiday instead.

    From what I've read also, it seems to me that the Scottish journalists are convinced he's made his mind to switch to England.
     
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  12. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member+

    Oct 7, 2018
  13. Iansutton270390

    Iansutton270390 Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    I've been expecting this for some time to be honest. He's a million miles off an England call up and the Scots have been creaming over him for years.
    Surprised its taken this long for him to commit.
     
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  14. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Yep as expected the jocks creaming themselves over him on the Sweaty sock board. Just shows what an irrelevant tiny football nation they are
     
  15. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Probably not as xenophobic as you are though.
     
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  16. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I'm not xenophobic I just don't like foreigners. Kidding. I don't particularly like the Scots or Welsh
     
  17. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I just couldn't imagine playing for another country. It would be England or nothing for Me. It irks me when players switch countries on a whim. Especially players who have tenuous links to other countries at best
     
  18. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    He grew up literally watching his dad play for Scotland. I'm not sure how you could describe that as a tenuous link. He said himself that his dad wanted him to play for Scotland but he wanted to play for the country he was born in. It's more of a surprise that he waited until he was 27 to switch. It looks like he's finally given up on his dream to play for England. Realistically unless he improves significantly it was nothing more than a dream anyway.
     
  19. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I was talking generally when referring to tenuous links
     
  20. BarryfromEastenders

    Staff Member

    Jul 6, 2008
    Gunn trained with the England senior team. He looked impressive at U16 level for England but seemed to struggle with the step up in levels. He’s only had 111 appearances in his career but seems to be back on track now at Championship level.

    I didn’t realise how few keepers Scotland have available until I checked their squad. Gunn could become a starter but it would be a big challenge. Some of their fans don’t like taking players that have previously rejected them and he’s not a massively experienced keeper.
     
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  21. ADM99

    ADM99 Member+

    Apr 28, 2019
    Waylon Renecke (Norwich) & Gabriano Shelton (Liverpool) have been named in South Africa's U17 AFCON preliminary squad.

    Renecke has been a regular for England & was part of the most recent U17 squad.
     
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  22. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Man City's Alex Robertson has been called up by Australia at senior level.
     
  23. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Tbf he was born in Dundee and lived in Australia has no English parentage.
     
  24. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    I notice that he hasn't played for us for a couple of years. Do we know if he fell out of favour on an ability basis, if he was injured or if he was was turning down call-ups?
     
  25. Juni

    Juni Member+

    Nov 26, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Jordan James and Luke Harris in the senior Wales squad.
     

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