England Senior Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. hussar

    hussar Member+

    Jun 24, 2015
    I really hope this is not true, the worst imaginable team.
     
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  2. RobTheFool

    RobTheFool Member+

    Apr 19, 2008
    London, England
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    that’s what I’m expecting. Any front three we put out is excellent to be fair but that’s very harsh on Coady given his form.

    Chilwell looks to be out but that is so unbalanced having tripper on the left.. just play Saka FFS.

    Midfield also predictable. So Rice will sit their and not be able to pass, what is the purpose of playing him if Henderson also starts? I don’t get what Southgate is trying to achieve with that.. a CM pairing that can’t pass forward?

    I would prefer a 4-3-3 but part of the reason why I would is because at least it forces Southgate to play one midfielder that isn’t unimaginative.. Henderson- Mount, Henderson-Winks or Henderson anyone but please please not Rice. He has never looked up to international standard but keeps getting picked. F**k Southgate, wasting our best talent in generations
     
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  3. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member

    Oct 7, 2018
    He's going to continue with the 3-4-3, that much is obvious and seems a case of him becoming too conservative. We will not beat weaker but solid teams like the Czech Republic and Denmark with 2 defensive midfielders in a 3-4-3, and better teams than us will take us apart in midfield and we'll be stuck playing in our own half.

    I find the fact he says this is because we have better options in a 3-4-3 particularly odd - centre back is undoubtedly our worst position for depth I would say but now we are going to be taking 5 centre backs to a tournament at the expense of some exciting attacking talent.

    Plus where exactly this leaves someone like Foden I do not know.
     
  4. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yeah, I mean I don’t really know how Southgate & more surprising Steve Holland are really thinking about this formation and how they think playing so conservative will
    work playing against a Germany, France, Italy, Spain etc. Hell I think we will struggle against second tier Nations and truth be told and I will boldly predict we won’t get out of Euro group. Maybe after this round of International’s the penny might drop as I wouldn’t expect encouraging performances. Sorry to be a doom merchant but it’s just how I feel about these tactics, nothing to do with the players as I think with the right tactics and formation we would be fine competing.
     
  5. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member

    Oct 7, 2018
    What's particularly odd is since playing 4-3-3 our record is played 14, won 11, drew 2, lost 1 (in extra time). Scored 46, Conceded 12. I have absolutely zero idea why these doubts have apparently suddenly crept in over the past year.

    The only other game in that time we changed formation was the loss to Czech Republic where in the 4-2-3-1 our midfield 2 got woefully isolated and outnumbered. Particularly worrying that essentially anything that happens bad in 4-3-3 seems to be put down as a system failing, but an absolutely dire performance like Denmark is attributed to teething issues.
     
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  6. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Why does everyone think he will change his ways after one nothing match ??

    Surely that was just a one off - nothing to lose situation..

    I’m thinking he will go back to the old 4:3:3 or 4:4:2 ..
     
  7. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    He's played 3-4-3 for the last three games.
     
  8. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    And talked about it in any number of interviews. And called up players who are specifically suited to the system. He's sticking with it.
     
  9. Wendigo7

    Wendigo7 Member

    Mar 31, 2015
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Eh. Wait and see.

    You don't play it for 3 games and just go into a tournament with it. The players will be probably 343 against Belgium and 433 against Denmark.

    He's trying to get them to have 2 formations. One very clearly defensive - we haven't conceded anything in our last 6 games now remember, and one more positive.

    I get the feeling once both formations are learnt, he wants them to be interchangable. We've always struggled from transition in defence and attack, then to a different formation.

    (Personally I don't like it, but I do get it.)
     
  10. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Still it was very concerning how we struggled for the first 25 minutes or so ... I feel he will fall back into what he ‘knows’ - he’s renowned for keeping faith with players that he feels have done well for him so I think he will keep faith with his tried and trusted formation .
     
  11. Iansutton270390

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Just a little bit of fun. I was on the Welsh forum and one poster said that England could stick out three different sides that were capable of beating Wales. It got me thinking, do we actually have the depth to do that? Would be interested to see what people's three different squads would look like.
     
  12. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    C squad never play ..

    442


    Pickford
    Trippier Walker Maguire Shaw
    Rice , Ward Prowse , Dier , Dele
    Tammy & Ings
     
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  13. MrSnrub

    MrSnrub Member

    Oct 7, 2018
    We could could probably pick 6 or 7 teams that would be favourites to beat Wales. Ramsey is obviously a very good player, and Bale has declined but likely still good. But beyond that most their best team is back up premier league players or championship level. Giggs has actually done a pretty underrated job with them when you look at the squad. Bringing in their next generation who aren't quite there yet and getting results while many of their players from the 2016 tournament have declined a lot.
     
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  14. Iansutton270390

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Absolutely! As much as it pains me to say it, the Welsh really do punch above their weight and they're doing a really good job of it. Hopefully, for their sakes, they don't regress after the bales and Ramseys leave. Hopefully, their younger players can follow on.
     
  15. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I saw that. Yes we could put out 3 teams that could beat most sides
     
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  16. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    #11716 roverman, Oct 10, 2020
    Last edited: Oct 10, 2020
    Pickford chilwell stones coady walker barnes winks Henderson sancho Abraham ings

    Henderson Shaw maguire gomez trippier sterling rlc mount rashford kane dcl

    Pope saka dunk tarkowski trent grealish maddison rice foden odoi Greenwood

    Still room for Ali Chamberlain lamptey tomori James awb dier philips Keane mings
     
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  17. Iansutton270390

    Tottenham Hotspur
    England
    Jan 12, 2019
    Yeah I'd say all them 3 could beat Wales easily. And just look at the players you left out. Wales would kill for just one of them.
     
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  18. Crawleybus

    Crawleybus Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    You say I'm being ridiculous then claim Southgate is acting like a 12 year old child! He is a grown man, a professional man that wants to win things, he isn't going to cut off his nose to spite his face! You seem to think Grealish is some kind of demi-god Messi reincarnation! He's not THAT bloody good! And I'll tell you something else - he would be a better player if he didn't flop around like an Argentinian every time somebody brushed up against him! Maybe it's that what Southgate doesn't like in his game?
     
  19. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I would if he won us a free kick on the edge of the area in a semi final euro 2021 game and trent or maddison scored
     
  20. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Many people in the footballing world happen to think that he IS that good and they’re all far more knowledgeable than me or you or anyone else in here for that matter.

    Well I certainly didn’t say anything about Southgate acting like a 12 year old child but I do happen to believe that Southgate IS being petty / stubborn .. there’s clearly something about Grealish that he doesn’t like .

    Please don’t suggest that he’s a diver that’s simply not the case ...
     
  21. AJ123

    AJ123 Member

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    If England u21 had a decent manager they’d have a good chance of beating Wales’s best senior side.
     
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  22. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    Pretty awful on paper
     
  23. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    Awful centre back choice and central midfield but bags of quality everywhere else. I just fear Belgiums midfield win completely overpower ours and dominate the game. Shame because our attack is pretty awesome
     
  24. sharpovic

    sharpovic Member+

    May 20, 2010
    There’s talent upfront But the team will be disjointed. Hope this isn’t the 11, we’ve been there several times it does not work.
     
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  25. roverman

    roverman Member+

    Dec 22, 2001
    I agree with Southgate that I don't think the euros will go ahead next year. Sad because this is our best chance for years. Probably the worst dutch side in my living memory. The worst Spanish team for a while. Germany are rebuilding. Italy are nowhere near the level they were. Really only Portugal France and Belgium who I would fear and even this Belgium team is on the wane a bit.
     

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