England Senior Team General Discussion Thread

I didn’t see the Utd game so can’t comment about Maguire but today’s isn’t just about Gomez being bad why Liverpool have lost plus he had a very good game last week against Arsenal so is it accurate to say he’s badly off form, inconsistent maybe.

 

We can look at the negatives in defence or the positives. Saka was excellent today kane was immense. Grealish has been fantastic. Sterling scored. Dcl is banging them in rashford was United's best player today

 

He was terrible against Leeds too. Think Maguire’s head has gone since the summer. Terrible day for English defenders brilliant day for English forwards.

Kane is in great form now too.

 

Not to mention sterling and dcl scoring yesterday

 

he's great at running With the ball, he's not Henderson.

 

Gomez Maguire have played well together and won't be a problem at the euros

 

Would have been comical if Grealish didn't make the England squad. His detractors will find it harder and harder to justify the criticism. Unplayable.

 

Gomez had on off night. Hes usually alot better than this. I mean hell Sergio ramos has these games every week. Maguire clearly has his mind on other things. I would rather start coady anyway. Our attack is capable of scoring 5 or 6 so we will have to win games 5-4

 

‘Yeah Grealish has been good but you have to give credit to Mount who kept the bench warm yesterday’ pic.twitter.com/kyuLJWS6JE

— Harry (@haz44411) October 4, 2020

Southgate when he sees grealish has bagged 2 and got 3 assists game before internationals https://t.co/KELqWvE4SO

— Joel Magill (@JoelMagill) October 4, 2020

 

Is there any other player who would have a game like that and the angry response would be that England should actually play them in a completely different position?

The logic, or lack thereof, seems insane to me.

 

What I find insane is to suggest that it's a matter of position. Who cares about his position, we all know he's equally effective left right and center, he's obviously not a pure winger but is good there a la Pires, if Rashford is ahead of him on the left in the pecking order, then play Grealish behind Kane. We don't exactly have too many creative players, and we badly need players who're good in transitions and under pressure.

 

But of course its a matter of position. Why are we ignoring that he was nowhere near as effective for Villa when he played in central midfield in the premier? They tried it, then they moved him. Then they tried it again and again quickly moved him back out left. You can't just ignore that because its inconvenient to the narrative.

Villa basically give him what is essentially a free role on the left that suits him really well. Constrained by the responsibility of central midfield he's nowhere near the same player.

 

Why do people keep saying we don't have too many creative players? Grealish maddison foden sancho saka sterling rashford they are all creative

 

False. What do you mean nowhere near as effective ? I've seen the games he was superb, gave less assists and scored less but more involved in the build up play. Villa needs him to score and give assists, therefore it makes sense to play him there but does not mean he's not a good 10, he very obviously is.

 

wouldn't say Rashford or Saka are creative but it's debatable. We do need more technical players with the ability to keep the ball under pressure, that was my point. It's a bit strange to compare Grealish and Rashford,they bring very different things. Unless Grealish has better numbers than Rashford then the debate is over.

 

Even Villa fans were getting on his back when he was last moved to central midfield.....

Playing as a 10 is very different to playing as a central midfielder. Again he is miles better when he has freedom and less responsibility. He's not going to get that in midfield in a 4-3-3. He's just not. It's going to set him up for failure and then people will complain he's being used incorrectly by Southgate who for some reason was maligned for saying he's a 10 or winger.

Now what might be worth trying is a 4-2-3-1 where we can afford him a much freer role which he tends to thrive in. Stick Phillips and Henderson behind him to mop up.

 

So rashford isn't creative? The fact he can turn defenders inside out and score? Saka is also creative. He beats his man and puts in great delivery. Creative isn't about 55 stepovers its about creating chances for your teammates or creating a chance for yourself .

 

WTF! Is that what you took from that game. They get smashed 6-1 and you're complaining about Rashford. lol

 

semantics, don't really care about it. We're not a very creative team and need more flair and skill, especially in the middle of the park. Rashford is creative in his own way, more of a striker than a passer even if he gives assists.

 

And btw, I don't see why we couldn't play with a 10. Especially one like Grealish who actually works hard and covers a lot of ground. Players are more important than systems.

 

Agree about grealish. He would make the perfect attacking midfielder. Hes kind of wasted on the left. England clearly have far better players than villa so the risk of playing him out of position wouldn't affect the team as greatly

 

If Southgate starts with Pickford and Maguire he’s an idiot.

Pickford has lost his confidence and Maguire is understandably worried / distracted by his legal problems

 

If we don't start Pickford then the options are a benched Dean Henderson, and Nick Pope who's started the season in even worse form than Pickford.

Though i'm sure in at least one of the matches the goalkeeping duties will be shared round.