England Senior Team General Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'England' started by BarryfromEastenders, Jul 11, 2018.

  1. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I would think that Southgate will continue with the three at the back formation since he’s picked Walker,TAA and Trippier, unless he feels he could use Walker as an out and out centre back in a straight back four but doubt it. I just wonder how he’s going to fit Sancho into that formation? Just not sure where he would play? Maybe in the Sterling role behind Kane. I really hope for a change of formation to best suit our attacking players but don’t think it will happen.
     
  2. David Brooks

    David Brooks Member

    Jun 23, 2017
    The midfield combo will be interesting. Will he go with Dier AND Henderson. If not, then ut will be an inexperienced group, which is fine by me. Could we get away with Henderson, Mount and Maddison or is that too adventurous?
     
  3. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Also, not knocking Mount as we all know he’s a baller but if Southgate is picking Championship players, I kind of feel sorry for Grealish tbh. Mount can still be an asset for the U21’s no problem, so maybe Grealish could have been picked. I still think it’s only a matter of time before he’s a regular in the Squads so it’s not a major issue, just a preference that I would have probably gone with.
     
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  4. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Not a fan of mount in the squad really. He plays in the second tier and he hasn't been tearing up trees. Don't get me wrong. I'm a fan of the player but Will Hughes deserves to be in ahead of him.
     
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  5. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Sheffield Wednesday
    England
    Nov 7, 2001
    Grealish could be elite level . Shame he didnt get that Spurs move..
     
  6. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    I've heard that Liverpool think Alexander Arnold will eventually end up as a defensive midfielder..
     
  7. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Jesus ... Grealish will probably turn to drink after seeing that midfield !!
     
  8. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    What announcement?

    Tend to agree though, he doesn't look like he'll be any better than Dier, in fact he pretty much looks like a clone of him.
     
  9. David Brooks

    David Brooks Member

    Jun 23, 2017
    I think 5 goals from midfield and the most chances created in the division counts as some "trees". I agree on Grealish but in Southgate's system I don't think he and Mount are competing for a spot. I don't think Grealish could play in the midfield 3, so he's really competing with Sterling, Rashford and Sancho for the spot behind Kane. Mount can play in the 3 and so really a direct replacement for RLC.
    Grealish like a lot of other attacking players would be better in a 4-3-3.
     
  10. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Not for me it doesn't. He's scored 3 in 11 in The Championship too. If he was having the impact say Maupay is at Brentford then maybe. I don't think there's anything exceptional about his performances this season so far. He's doing well but I would have thought that England would need more than that to call up a Championship player.
     
  11. David Brooks

    David Brooks Member

    Jun 23, 2017
    Let's be honest though, Mount is a premier league player, playing in the Championship. There are plenty of lower-half clubs that would take him.
     
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  12. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    Yes, I agree, I really think he would flourish with better players around him. He can’t afford another season in The Championship imo, either he gets promoted with Villa or moves on in the Summer for him to for fill his potential. He could feel quite disappointed that he’s been overlooked for this Squad despite two players in the Squad from the Championship.
     
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  13. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    And plenty of good foreign Clubs also
     
  14. Marcho Gamgee

    Marcho Gamgee Member+

    Apr 25, 2015
    Somewhere in English Arrogance land
    Club:
    Manchester City FC
    I hope that Sancho, Mount, Maddison and Winks will still be available for selection for the U21 Euro’s this Summer? Will they be classed as above U21 selection like other players will be like Rashford, Gomez and TAA. I hope not, we need to take as strong a squad as possible for that Tournament.
     
  15. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Can't say that I understand the talk about Grealish. Fine to consider him, even when he's in the Championship, but what sort of sense would it make to give him a first call-up when his form is worse than it's been in over a year? At least wait until he's playing well to bemoan his omission. Mount has been comfortably better so far this season.

    Hughes, I do feel a bit sorry for. Someone was talking about him playing wide (greengrass?) but the role he's playing in Watford's 4-2-2-2 really isn't very different to that of the two attacking midfielders in Southgate's 3-5-2. Perhaps he just wasn't at the front of the queue, or perhaps it indicates that Southgate plans to change formation and Hughes wouldn't obviously fit in.

    Sturridge possibly "deserves" a call on the basis of his performances over the last month, but I think it'll take a bit longer to prove that he's going to stay in contention at Liverpool. Otherwise it would be a bit pointless to recall an injury-prone reserve who'll be close to 31 by the time of the next tournament.

    Anyway, interesting squad, and it's as good a time as any to experiment. If one or two players can use it to make the leap from fringe options to real contenders then it'll have served its purpose.
     
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  16. David Brooks

    David Brooks Member

    Jun 23, 2017
    I hope so too. Presumably Rice will also be available. I'd like to see TAA go and play the holding role.
     
  17. JRSG

    JRSG Member+

    Mar 25, 2015
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Rice can't play in our U21s in this cycle.
     
  18. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Sheffield Wednesday
    England
    Nov 7, 2001
    Chabaloah has done nothing to be in the team..
    Foden should have been the man..
     
  19. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Irrespective of Foden's merits, it's not likely that they're competing for the same roles, is it?
     
  20. AJ123

    AJ123 Member+

    Man Utd
    England
    Feb 17, 2018
    Think Chalobah is being paid back for his loyalty and commitment to the shirt. He’s had a rough ride and is starting again in many ways. It will be a good boost for him.
     
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  21. ChristianSur

    ChristianSur Member+

    May 5, 2015
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Southgate did make some comments on Chalobah which I'm not sure everyone here will be happy with:

    "We have to approach it from a different angle now. We can't wait for a player to have two seasons in the Premier League, or be playing every week in his team. Nat has more youth caps bar perhaps James Milner, he trained with us in the summer and has had two 90 minutes for Watford in the League Cup or thereabouts. We know the qualities he has.

    "It's maybe a bit early for him physically, but to come and train with us, we believe he can have an impact in the future."
     
  22. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Maybe a move to a big foreign club could be in the offing for Grealish ??
     
  23. dbs235

    dbs235 Member

    Mar 30, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    RLC had a positive first half for Chelsea.
     
  24. Rabbi Keane

    Rabbi Keane Member

    Aug 13, 2003
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    For those questioning Chalobah's inclusion. The option have often been Jake Livermore in recent years. What's there to lose? It's a problematic position and he has some promise.
     
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  25. Jenks

    Jenks Member+

    Feb 16, 2013
    Club:
    --other--
    I don't know why people are talking about Grealish so much to be honest. He's produced very little beyond being neat and tidy.
     
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