England Senior National Team General Discussion Thread

Doesn’t have many backers at United based on what? Whenever he’s played he’s done well and no Man Utd fans have expressed dissatisfaction with him. He’s a quality player and you’re talking like he’s a liability.

If you’re talking about Mount’s England chances Southgate is never going to play Maddison as one of the midfield three so Mount isn’t in competition with him.

 

I mean in terms of Maddison moved to Spurs and has impressed and had a big impact. Obviously Man United are in bad form and he has been injured but he has still struggled.

 

He hasn’t struggled. He hasn’t set the world alight but he’s been decent in a team where nearly everyone has been poor.

 

Something is seriously wrong at that club. It may turn out that Sancho has played a blinder, when he has a holiday from now until January, when he goes out on loan back to Dortmund on full pay.

 

I know they wouldn't but they need to re-sign De gea. He got the golden glove last year. This sweeper keeper bullshit has warps peoples minds to what makes a good goal keeper.

 

Theres a good chance Ten Hag won't be there in January and Sancho might get back in the team.

 

Can't even begin to think who they'd appoint if Ten Hag leaves. No standout candidate.

 

They'd probably get Giggs in and then Greenwood back off loan.

 

De Zerbi is the hottest ticket in town right now. Whether he could untangle the mess that is Man United though is another matter.

 

They'll back him all the way to the Championship if they carry on.


P.S I wonder how much they'd be worth if they ended up in the Championship?

 

Arteta has stated that Saka’s injury doesn’t look good. Obviously gutted for Saka and hope he gets better soon. Must admit though I’m happy to see Arteta get his comeuppance for his ludicrously irresponsible management of Saka’s workload.

 

He had a good platform left by Potter at Brighton. He'd be walking into a sinking ship at Utd.

 

They wanted Zidane before.

 

I pray I am wrong but it sounds like his Achilles might have got a bit worse. That could be a long term injury.

But if he is called up Thursday and then withdraws we all know he wont then be replaced.

 

Who knows. Southgate should announce he is resting him as he is concerned about his underlying problems.

 

If this is true and his injury is not significant Arteta should take this as a warning sign and start to manage his minutes and give him a rest here and there for a while before the season starts getting more serious after Christmas.

Guarantee he won't though and Saka will end up with a much more serious injury down the line.

 

He has had to go off injured twice in 10 days. That’s not normal or healthy.

 

Bookie odds for Euro Squad. Some of these are wild - some are seen as too likely while some feel more likely than their odds suggest.


Goalkeepers
Jordan Pickford - 1/12 Aaron Ramsdale - 1/8 Nick Pope - 4/6 Dean Henderson - 6/5 Sam Johnstone - 7/2 James Trafford - 11/2

Defenders
John Stones - 1/9 Kyle Walker - 1/7 Luke Shaw - 1/6 Harry Maguire - 1/5 Kieran Trippier - 1/5 Ben Chilwell - 1/4 Reece James - 1/3 Trent Alexander-Arnold - 1/3 Marc Guehi - 4/11 Levi Colwill - 2/5 Lewis Dunk - 4/7 Fikayo Tomori - 4/5 Ben White - 7/2 Ezri Konsa - 4/1 Rico Lewis - 4/1 Rico Henry - 9/2 Lewis Hall - 6/1 Joe Gomez - 8/1 Tino Livramento - 9/1 Trevoh Chalobah - 10/1 Callum Doyle - 12/1 Jarrad Branthwaite - 12/1 Taylor Harwood-Bellis - 12/1 James Justin - 14/1 Eric Dier - 16/1 Luke Thomas - 16/1 Ben Johnson - 20/1 Charlie Cresswell - 20/1 Conor Coady - 20/1 Dan Burn - 20/1 James Tarkowski - 20/1 Max Aarons - 20/1

Midfielders
Declan Rice - 1/12 Jude Bellingham - 1/12 Kalvin Phillips - 1/4 James Maddison - 1/3 Mason Mount - 4/11 Eberechi Eze - 1/2 Jordan Henderson - 4/7 Conor Gallagher - 1/1 Morgan Gibbs-White - 5/2 James Ward-Prowse- 11/4 Jacob Ramsey - 5/1 Elliot Anderson - 6/1 Oliver Skipp - 13/2 Harvey Elliott - 7/1 Joe Willock - 7/1 Sean Longstaff - 7/1 Carney Chukwuemeka - 8/1 Curtis Jones - 9/1 Emile Smith-Rowe - 10/1 Alex Scott - 12/1 Angel Gomes - 12/1 James Garner - 12/1 Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall - 12/1

Forwards
Bukayo Saka - 1/12 Harry Kane - 1/12 Marcus Rashford - 1/10 Jack Grealish - 1/8 Phil Foden - 1/8 Callum Wilson - 8/11 Ollie Watkins - 11/10 Raheem Sterling - 11/10 Anthony Gordon - 2/1 Jarrod Bowen - 2/1 Eddie Nketiah - 11/4 Tammy Abraham - 9/2 Cole Palmer - 11/2 Harvey Barnes - 11/2 Jadon Sancho - 6/1 Dominic Calvert-Lewin - 7/1 Noni Madueke - 14/1 Cameron Archer - 20/1 Dwight McNeil - 20/1 Carlton Morris - 25/1

 

He's so clearly on his last legs.

 

Most league minutes played by top prospects aged 22 and under over the course of the last three seasons (2019/20-2022/23):

Bukayo Saka - 8,741
William Saliba - 7,456
Jude Bellingham - 7,187
Josko Gvardiol - 6,339
Goncalo Inacio - 6,191
Alphonso Davies - 5,558
Pedri - 5,295

Saka top by an absolute mile and all of his minutes came in the most intense and physical league in Europe.

 

Mount has actually been pretty good since he's come back from his injury. Mount's downfall has been one of Fireburn's many obsessions on here. It's been pointed out earlier in this thread that every manager Mount has played under has loved him.

As you say United attacked pretty well last night and Mount was a part of that, the issue was in defence. Onana has been terrible so far while Lindelof and Varane were appalling last night. There are big injury issues though which is contributing. Amrabat should never be playing at left back.

It's probably best for Maguire to be sitting these games out as you know he'd be blamed for it all by making Onana and the defence nervous or something if he was playing.

As an England fan you just don't want English players to sign for United anymore, even if you do support them like me. The club being so globally popular has made it incredibly toxic since the decline in performances since Sir Alex retired coupled with the rise of social media and the army of deplorable fans that attack the players online it brings. You also have Youtubers like Goldbridge that capitalise most in times of misery and the press love negative stories about United because it gets clicks. I saw Branthwaite linked with United yesterday and I can't think of a worse move for his career at this point.

 

The UEFA website confirms the Euro squads will be 23 not 26 players.