thanks for the turkey comment, but seriously what shite.that was a fcuking joke and im at a loss 4 words. i need a stiff drink. at this rate turkey might want to get their tickets for portugal ready.
could be. Judging by the way Macedonia felt happy to shoot from anywhere you almost felt that was where they were getting their confidence from. This was no team who sat back and hit us on the break, they really had a go. After seaman's blunder you could see the belief grow in them. The most telling thing though was that their pasing was so much better than ours. How many times did we give away possession needlessly? BTW, why did scholes duck out of the way for the first goal? Had he jumped he might have cleared it.
Two defensive mistakes, two Macedonia goals. England looked good until the unneccessary change in formation, in which the England players did not look comfortable. I've said it before and I'll say it again: Eriksson does not have a clue about tactics.
Shite Time for Seaman to retire and Eriksson to piss off with his 80's tactics. England can and should do so much more.
Two points, firstly i don't think Eriksson shud be blamed too much, these games aren't decided on tactics but quality, if we were playing France tactics would play a bigger part, but we should beat Macedonia with our quality at alone. The distribution from the centre backs was appaling Also, Beckham was attrocious, it was he who gave the ball away which led to their corner for the goal, he then played a terrible ball to Gerrard givin him no chance and it led to the 2nd ball. His passing and crossing were appalling but he was still being bigged up by the commentators, Scholes was our best player. People regard Beckham as being world class but would Zidane, Rivaldo etc ever put in a performance like that? Beckham you were sh**e son.
Is it just me or has Beckham been crap all season? He's become really petulant and agressive, I think he's been lucky to escape being send off for wreckless challenges on more than one occasion. He's no longer the free kick specialist he was and his vision has diminished. I refer to Svens tactics over the time he's been in charge, not just tonight.
That's probably a product of being expected to not only carry his national team, but also his club now that Roy Keane seems hellbent on self-destructing. That sort of thing is bound to mess with a person's head.
Heh .... just read a few online reports that said Beckham was the only one worth his salt. And now I'm reading posts on how crap he was. Wish I could've seen it. Several reports said Owens looked onsides for at least one of his goals. Any conclusive replay angles?
2-2?!?! And this after an almighty lucky win against those footballing giants from Slovakia?!?! *snort* Pardom me while I go laugh my butt off for a few hours............
Dobro, Makedonija -- this is a team from a poor country, playing against an England squad that makes the Macedonian GNP in football wages. The Macedonian team couldn't even afford a night in a London Hotel, but flew back to Skopje on a 3 a.m. flight to save money. Looks like after their close 1-2 loss to Turkey that the boys from Skopje wanted this more badly than England did after their lucky win in Bratislava. Macedonia kept Ireland out of WC98 and if England keep playing like this they might spoil England's trip to Euro 04.
he was the only one busting his ass, and Owen was onside on one or more of his goal scoring opportunities.
I just hope the players were giving Macedonia more respect than the TV announcer. After Macedonia went up 1-0 he compared it to going down 1-0 to San Marino back in '93. "San Marino?!" I saw these guys tie Turkey 3-3 in Istanbul a couple of years ago. They were always capapble of getting a result in England if they played their best and got some breaks. And that's exactly what happened. Only one that I noticed. He had a break away in the first half that looked like it was probably a good call. The shot didn't clear the GK in any case.
F'ckin hell... Even a scottish mug is taking the piss.. Must've been a bad result... You still gonna be laughing at the end of the campaign.?? I dont think so ,sweaty boy.
What you need to understand is that no matter how he plays the press will always big him up. He was crap, if he'd played well, i'd have siad so i'm not anti-Beckham but he was awful last night, he scored a good goal but cost us two it was a poor first touch and him losing the ball that led to their first and it was he who played a nightmare of a ball to Gerrard for the 2nd. As i said before, his passing was crap, his crossing was crap, and if he's captain where was he when the players needed a kick up the arse? Seaman won't be in goal for Euro 2004 so why is he playing now? Give another keeper a taste of competitive international football.
Thats cos he heard the whistle. Owen would have either waited for the keeper to go down or gone round him, Owen always does that. He had another bad call in the 2nd half when he was onside.
What's with the English players refusing to shake hands after the game? Pretty classless. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/england/2335567.stm
About as classless as the relentless play acting by the Macedonians. If it only took place in the last 10 minutes or so it wouldn't have been so bad, but the they were doing it all through the match.
Hey - we had to watch certain TV stations proclaiming the "death of Scottish football" after a terrible performance in a 2-2 draw with a minnow nation who only started playing ten years ago. England do almost exactly the same a month later. I haven't seen anyone saying that English football is dead!
Vogts had a string of bad results... People thought that the faroes game was you hitting rock bottom . i suppose that game gave you big kick up the arse. As for england.. im used to getting stick. We get slaughtered whatever we do .We go out to brazil in the quarter finals and we get hammered. its nothing new..