Elon Musk needs his own thread because he's in every damn thing

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  1. Yoshou

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    #1076 Yoshou, Nov 20, 2023
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    You are correct, it should be called driver assist, but there are 2 issues with this.

    The first issue is a marketing issue where Tesla calls their driver assist "Full Self-Driving". This gives the driver the impression that the car can actually drive itself without being monitored. However, the reality is that while the car can technically navigate, the driver MUST remain engaged and pay attention.

    The second issue is the idiot behind the wheel. There are 5 levels of driver assist from 0 where there is no driver assistance, all the way up to 5 where the car will drive itself and, if there are any people in the vehicle, they are a passenger. Right now, driver assist is around level 2, where the vehicle can handle acceleration, braking, lane control, and steering, but the driver must be paying attention to step in at a moment's notice if the driver assist does something stupid.

    https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicles-safety

    The problem is that people are stupid and even tho driver assist is only at 2-3, they already think it is at level 5 and aren't paying enough attention. Some of that is because of marketing, but mostly its because people are stupid.

    There are ways to combat this, but there are privacy concerns about the most reliable way to monitor driver attention or they are easily defeated. The most reliable way to make sure the driver is paying attention is a driver facing camera that monitors where the driver is looking. As you can imagine, having a camera constantly running while you're driving is raising a lot of privacy concerns as the cameras pick up far more than just the driver's face/eyes. The other option is checking for weight/grip on the steering wheel, but those are very easily defeated by putting ankle/wrist weights on the steering wheel, or just buying "Steering wheel weights" (seriously, there is a set on Walmart.com right now).

    Yes. It should be called driver assist and there are 6 levels of driver assist.

    0 - The system takes control momentarily to warn the driver, or make emergency actions (emergency braking, front collision warning, lane departure warning), but the driver is still ultimately in control
    1 - There are minor automated features (adaptive cruise control, lane assist), but driver must still monitor the road and is in control of making turns and what not
    2 - This is where the best driver assist systems are right now. Where you put in an end point and the car will drive you there, but the driver still must monitor the vehicle at all times because the automated driving still likes to run over kids, hit animals, gets confused and tries to drive you into a wall, etc.
    3 - The system handles all aspects driving, but a human driver is still required so the vehicle can warn them to take over in emergency situations.
    4 - The system handles all aspects of driving and no driver is necessary. However, the area it can drive in is very limited and on a set path (think of the self driving taxis that are out and about)
    5 - Full automation. No driver required, can drive anywhere on its own.

    https://www.nhtsa.gov/technology-innovation/automated-vehicles-safety

    The problem is we have 2 issues going on. One of them is marketing and the other is the idiot behind the wheel.

    The marketing issue is you have Tesla calling their driver assistance software "Full Self-Driving" and other companies including "self-driving" in their marketing. This gives people the perception that the vehicle is at Level 5, when, in reality, it is level 1.5 or 2 at best.

    The idiot behind the wheel issue is even if the manufacturer makes it very clear that it is just driver assist, people still think it is level 5. As soon as you give the vehicle a tiny bit of control of the steering wheel with lane assist, the idiot behind the wheel thinks the car will handle it from there. There are ways to combat this with driver facing cameras and grip/weight detection, but there are issues with that.

    Driver facing cameras are the "best" way to make sure the driver is paying attention, but there is, obviously, privacy concerns as the cameras detect more than just the driver's face and eyes. The cameras are also racist f**ks as they work better on light skinned people than dark skinned people. They are also easily defeated by sunglasses. You can use infrared cameras, but warm days, or glasses that reflect infrared can defeat them.

    Steering wheel weight and grip detectors are a low cost option that a lot of companies use, but they are easily defeated. Just do a google search for "steering wheel weights" and a ton will come up. Some are literally called "Steering wheel weights", but, since municipalities are making them illegal, a lot are labeled as ankle or wrist weights, but are too small to fit on any human's ankles or wrists. Just wrap the weight around the steering wheel and viola, detectors are defeated.
     
  2. Paul Berry

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    I won't even use cruise control. I feel like I need to be 100% attentive the whole time.
     
  3. soccernutter

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    Afroman and Snoop Dog would say something different.
     
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  4. argentine soccer fan

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    Smart self driving cars can help them too.
     
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  5. Q*bert Jones III

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    Snoop is off the sauce apparently.
     
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  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Wuss. How else can you chomp down a burger, fries & Coke?
     
  7. charlie15

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    #1082 charlie15, Nov 20, 2023
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    That is a big blow..I do not think the NBA commish is a guy who takes fools lightly. He is himself Jewish and he is known to have no tolerance for bigots and idiots.

    samamico
    7h

    ESPN NBA account pauses activity on Twitter/X hoopswire.com/espn…
     
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  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Holy crap. Should MM be afraid? I think vaunted legal scholar Eels said they are criminally responsible. :rolleyes:

     
  9. Kazuma

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    I think with recent events elsewhere and the behavior of others, plenty of companies are looking at Musk and just going, "Nah" not wanting the headaches that come with antisemitism.

    At some point, act like an asshole enough and people will buck.
     
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  10. Smurfquake

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    The ********ing projection from these guys, claiming that Trump is the victim of irresponsible prosecution for statements that are supposedly protected by the first amendment while they're irresponsibly prosecuting an organization that is making statements that are protected by the first amendment. And the Orwellian redefinition of terms like "free speech". Mother********ers.
     
  11. spejic

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    Found this in the comment section of a 2018 blog:

    "Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect."
     
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    Is it fascism yet?
     
  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    The NFL has not weighed in yet per this article. If they pulled ads it'd be an even bigger deal.

    We need someone like a David Frost to interview Eels to dig into just what is wrong with his brain and why he's intent on wrecking his companies and the lives of his employees

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/21/media/elon-musk-six-questions-behavior/index.html
     
  14. charlie15

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    That was from 2018 but even more relevant now!
     
  15. charlie15

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    Here is the nuclear lawsuit....I am curious to read comments of legal scholars on this suit validity and chances of success.

    “After a devastating advertiser exodus last week involving some of the world’s largest media companies, X owner Elon Musk is suing the progressive watchdog group Media Matters over its analysis highlighting antisemitic and pro-Nazi content on X — a report that appeared to play a significant role in the massive and highly damaging brand revolt,” CNN reports.
     
  16. Bluto11

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    The best part about this is that they aren't denying that pro-Nazi comments were next to these ads just that it didn't happen as much as Media Matters says.
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    So generally how does a board or major investors force out a bananas CEO?
     
  18. Paul Berry

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    They acquire a majority of shares.
     
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  19. Khan

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    Agreed.


    If we can't keep foreign adversaries from hacking our power plants, how can any of us be SURE that that self driving system is secure, either?

    And WHEN [not if] something goes bad, like a self-driven car kills a black or brown person because it doesn't recognize them as people, who goes to jail for it?

    Given that we have a large chunk of society that can't afford or barely affords even simple transportation [see the number of car loans going into default], who will pay for this tech?

    Lastly, you do realize that there will be masses of morons who otherwise would have died that will then live and make society sh!ttier, if they are protected from their own bad choices, right?



    I also don't think that driving will ever be the type of activity where ALL RISK is eliminated, no matter what we do.
     
  20. Paul Berry

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    Because Elon says so.

    When are we going to Mars?
     
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  21. Bluto11

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    Don't have Bluesky so I can't actually see this, but found it on another forum, sums it up nicely.

    https://bsky.app/profile/davekarpf.bsky.social/post/3kehqr2g2bk22

    Let me get this straight… Media Matters:

    (1) created a new account.
    (2) followed a bunch of RW extremists.
    (3) refreshed the timeline to see what ads were placed against extremist content.
    And
    (4) published the results?

    Definitely take this one all the way to the Supreme Court, Elon. No notes.
     
  22. soccernutter

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    My question is how permanent this will be. IIRC, there was a similar issue when Musk took over about advertisers appearing next to porn and such, and several (most? all?) of them returned. Will it be the same this time, or will they show some courage?
     
  23. soccernutter

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    I have found that when I use cruise control, I get drowsy.
     
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    That's the word on the street.
     
  25. NORML

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    He is advertising a smoke free fire pit
     

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