Ecuador en Brasil 2014

Discussion in 'Ecuador - National Team' started by barcelonista1981, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I just don't think we have the quality. If it weren't for Quito, I wonder if we would have even qualified to begin with.:oops:
     
  2. Emelectric15

    Emelectric15 Member

    Ecuador
    Mar 13, 2005
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Enner get's a lot of praise but for me Paredes aka O Dogg was outstanding... Hopefully he will make a move to a bigger club in Europe.
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  3. lav92

    lav92 Member

    Jun 16, 2010
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    http://www.futbolizados.com/25568/jefferson-montero-afirma-que-regresara-a-europa/

    I feel like this article also reveals something important. These players weren't ready. Caicedo and Montero spent the whole year injured and are now talking about going to Europe. Enner Valencia made me proud this World Cup. HE was on form and he took advantage of the opportunity. I read something about Enner to Everton or Newcastle. I am also against Rueda being resigned but we have to acknowledge that this was not supposed to be the lineup we had in mind when we had Campos out there. When Yoya had limited ability but seemed to be a good poacher. When Caicedo was going off scoring for the NT. We did show signs of being able to counterattack but our players are made to attack. We had limited defenders and Rueda should've made the adjustment to a 5-3-2-1 with Ayovi and Paredes as carrileros. He had a whole year to experiment, but refused. The Enner Valencia move was impressive though.

    I have always been a fan of Vizuete. He had our NT playing well but the press wants a foreign coach. Screw that s***, we need to start developing our leagues and our coaches. We shouldn't have to depend on foreign coaches who are just Argentinos who failed in their homeland most of the time. If the Federacion was legit they would buy off all the s*** teams and start a serious league. Maybe 2-3 divisions tops but a decent first division most importantly. Just look at the MLS! They are slowly developing a fan base while our "big teams" fail to fill their stadium. Look at what Independiente is doing. Sure they are coached by a Argentine coach, but the club is well managed which is something most teams in Ecuador lack. If Chiriboga was a serious president of the federacion, he would figure this out before hiring another Colombian coach who decides to play some outdated soccer that doesn't complement our players' qualities.
     
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  4. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Who cares where they go, the only players that played their hearts out for me were Enner, Paredes and Dominguez.
     
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  5. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'm sure with the $8 million la federacion will receive from just participating in the WC we will be able to afford a decent coach. Lol
     
  6. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Yep. I'm impressed with Paredes. Dude played tough and ran the whole game. I mean he actually ran! While others were freaking walking back. He was consistent too throughout all three matches. He and Ener belong in Europe. Others forgot there was a World Cup to be played and Rueda forgot that we needed to win.
     
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  7. Primitive Ways

    Primitive Ways Member+

    Jan 30, 2009
    Florida
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Does anybody remember that triangulacion?was it Paredes and Valencia, con los taquitos? I'm trying to remember.
     
  8. Gourcuff_07

    Gourcuff_07 Member

    Sep 6, 2010
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    We need a coach like Fossati now. Great tactics and brave attacking mentality. I like the idea of Bauza but he may not do as well as fosatti. Aguinaga is a good option because he is Ecuadorean and knows all the players however his lack of experience could be too much of a risk to take and well I hate to say it but I was right once again. It was obvious Ecuador was going to disappoint at this world cup the second the preliminary list of 30 players was given. The defense was a mess and there were limited alternatives in midfield and attack. Still some LDUQ fan in this forum was arguing with me about having the best squad available. All I have to say is, I told you so son. I understand that it was to late to start giving new players chances in the last friendlies prior to the world cup, but once again, that was better than going into this world cup committing suicide with so many mediocre players and coach. Rueda had to give Mendoza, Narvaez, ineida, Sornoza etc a chance over a year ago and never did. I just hope the new coach sees the major flaws in our team at this world cup and improves them.
    1. We have to try to find new goalkeepers, the only one meriting a spot at the moment is Dominguez.
    2. Ayovi, Guagua, Achilier, and Bagui out. Ramirez, Corozo, Narvaez, Mendoza, Erazo, Pineida, Paredes(backup), and a new CB like (L. Caicedo, Leon, Canga, or Becerra) in.
    3. Valencia's job is done on the right wing (attacking) we need his strength, vision, passing and defensive ability on the center of the midfield/ backup right back. Marcos Caicedo, and Fernando Guerrero merit chances. leave Jefferson Montero, Noboa, Ibarra, and maybe even Gruezo but bring in Gaibor, Cevallos...Castillo is too old and slow to be kept should only be called as last choice reserve in ase of multiple injuries behind, Valencia, Noboa, Gaibor, Cevallos, and Gruezo... JOAO ROJAS GREAT PLAYER AT A DECENT LEAGUE BUT NOT A NATIONAL TEAM PLAYER.
    4. Enner Valencia only world class striker in the country, would give us a lot more. Caicedo may not be too good but is worth keeping, the way he holds up the ball and his ball control makes him a great supporting forward for the smaller quicker forwards. All the other strikers we tried this past qualifiers were trash but no fear fellow ecuadorians, the future of our young strikers is extremely bright. We have David Velez in Velez Sarsfield, Abel Casquette in River Plate, Jonathan Betancourt in FC Porto who in 2-3 years could be a great forwards and Im not saying this based on where they are playing, I've seen this kids play plenty of times and they are top class prospects. meanwhile we have enner and Felipao and could give Sornoza and Ely esterilla chances who are great players with great finishing. Plus Marcos Caicedo is a player who scores almost every time he is played as a striker who knows maybe his best position is there could be another Enner Valencia type.
     
  9. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'll add to that, at least with Maturana/Bolillo/Suarez school there was a sense of identity, we appreciated ball control and possession, our game was more vertical, it was simple, have aguinaga/mendez/chala lead the midfield throw it out to our wings, have De La Cruz/Chala/Reasco then the cross to Delgado, Kaviedez etc.
    Now, possession is hardly ours, I understand defensive schemes and support them,thing is we dont look comfortable defending and giving away possession and space like we do,Rueda had us playing good futbol for about a year and a half, then things went sour, Chucho, Ruedas father, injuries a couple of cases of bad luck, its been over a year, we never recovered from it.
    Regarding your opinion on the Swiss team, we'll see what they do against Argentina, but player by player their squad is definitely playing in better leagues, we complain all the time about our player not stepping into the next lever because they migrate to Mexico instead of European leagues? guess what, these guys are in the next level, 12 of them in the Bundesliga 5 of them in Italy, 1 in the Spanish league, 5 in the Calcio, 1 in England how can you not think that Switzerland is not a more complete team than us.
     
  10. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I'll clear that doubt for you....We would not qualify if it wasn't for Quito, I'm not saying that altitude automatically qualifies you, but bring a "good" not even a great team and add the altitude to that team and you got a high chance of winning.
     
  11. scarface234

    scarface234 Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Bullshit, look at our creativity when playing at home, its not the altitude that gives us the ability to score and create plays at home, its the fact that we feel comfortable in our turf.
     
  12. scarface234

    scarface234 Member

    Jun 11, 2014
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I'm telling you right now, they won't beat Argentina, and not only that but the leagues where they play can barely be an indicator of their national team as a whole. Look at that mediocre performance versus France, tell me if thats the sign of a "complete focused squad".
     
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  13. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Which is amplified by our rivals fatigue, look Im not taking away credit to our style of playing at home, but altitude plays a role in it, wether it's physical or mental, our opponents feel it.
     
  14. barcelonista1981

    May 16, 2007
    GUAYAQUIL
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    Spain had a mediocre performance vs Holland, Portugal had one vs Germany, does not mean these team are "utter trash" I am not saying that the Swiss are a top team, All I am saying is that name by name their squad is much deeper than us, meaning they have a higher number of players playing at better leagues.
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    Compare our roster's playing leagues, look at the weakest one and tell me if you had to pick one of these teams to be left out of the second round, who would you pick?
     
  15. Luigi408

    Luigi408 Member

    May 16, 2010
    San Jose, Ca
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    http://www.ecuagol.com/ecuagol/index.php?n=54024

    Finally people in Ecuador are starting to open their eyes and their mouths against Chiriboga. Now teams like Catolica are speaking out against FEF and Rueda. I hope this is the beginning of the end for Chiriboga and Rueda. It's time to kick them out of FEF.

    Also, Aguinaga criticized Rueda and FEF in BeIn Spots today after the game. The more people who are important that go against FEF and Ruda the better!
     
  16. clubtopia

    clubtopia New Member

    Oct 28, 2010
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Does anyone know the process how the FEF president gets selected
     
  17. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    I will have more comments later but for now I have to say that A. Valencia, Montero and Caicedo should take a voluntary break from the NT, focus on getting back into form with their clubs, and earn their spot on the NT again like anybody else. THEY have let the country down, along with Rueda who waited too long to do anything about it and clearly is unable to motivate his players to perform at the level they are capable of.
     
  18. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    i agree 100%.
     
  19. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    well, i've always said this before...you cannot win with just altitude. You need to have a good team behind it. I'd say now (more than before) it was tougher for us to perform well in Quito compared to the 3 Qualifiers before that b/c now the majority of our squad plays outside of ecuador and NOT in Quito. That means it's just about as hard for us as the rival team to adapt to conditions of Quito. IMO you are right when it comes to the mental factor- our opponents who come to Quito know that it is extremely complicated and almost impossible to come out with a win from Quito and a tie is considered amazing. Winning in Quito or walking away with a point is just as hard as going to Brazil or Argentina and doing so. Those are the three hardest turfs to play on in a South American Qualifier- Brazil, Argentina, and Ecuadors (in that order). So the opposition knows what playing in Quito means...it means your playing against not only tough environmental conditions but also against a very strong opponent who is used to always winning there and will take advantage of those conditions whether or not they are adapted to it. That's where Ecuador should be applauded. Maybe the 2002 team depended highly on the altitude way more than any of the following generations, but this team of today and the one that follows won't look at the altitude as a place of comfort (I'm positive Felipe Caicedo, Antonio, Erazo, Noboa, Renato Ibarra, etc. didn't get excited every time they had to come to Quito and play in the altitude b/c it takes a beating on your body), but I assure you they will play their hearts and lungs out to make sure the home turf is respected and used to their advantage whether they are adapted to it or not.
     
  20. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    We are the weakest in this context. But I've always said, it doesn't matter where you play (to a certain extent). Do you remember our 2006 squad that made it to the round of 16? Where did they play? A great majority of them, if not almost all, played in Ecuador- especially in Liga de Quito. And Liga de Quito at that point was not a winner of any international cups. But they did hold the base of the Ecuadorian national team for several years which helped us out.

    Where you play (at least to me) signifies what YOU as a player are capable of accomplishing at the individual level. The US doesn't have stars or players playing in elite leagues as starters playing 90 minutes every weekend, but look at them play. The collective level is what matters at the end of the day, with individual players making the difference in key moments. But the best squads are the ones that gel collectively and you can only reach that with a great coach which is what we didn't have. Costa Rica isn't plagued with stars, neither is Mexico but look at where they are. Belgium and also Ivory Coast have a handful (or more) stand out players playing in the Premier League making highlights every weekend but you haven't really seen Belgium play better than the US or Mexico (correct me if im wrong). Playing in an elite league or elite team didn't help Antonio at all in this cup....if you ask me, he was the biggest failure of Ecuador in the World Cup and one of the biggest let downs period. Even the Univision commentators who absolutely know nothing about anything said that he was one of the players in this cup that everyone was expecting to see more from b/c of his international experience. I'll just leave it at that. It's wonderful to have players playing a great league and being standouts but what's more important is having a good brain (a good coach) behind that talent...or else you never seen the full potential of your guys.
     
  21. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I believe that would be me. And again you're wrong. You were the same guy that said Gruezo had to start only because he plays in Stuttgart right? Well at the end of day please tell me WHY Ecuador is not passing to the next round? Is it because we tied against France w/ 10 men on the field and because the coach was extremely defensive? Or is it because there were errors committed by your buddy Gruezo TWICE in the game vs. Switzerland? (one in which he was directly involved in) I'm pretty sure most of our own players said "perdimos el chance de clasificar en el primer partido ante Suiza". They know it and so does everyone else. Now I want you to tell me where you saw Oswaldo Minda commit any mistake in the two games he played where we were able to accumulate 4 points? If you ask me, or the majority, Minda was defensively unstoppable and surprised everyone. He was impeccable in both games and a very important player. ....and then you'll wonder why I said, experience WINS games in these big tournaments and why playing a 19 yr. old inexperienced kid was a huge risk at this point. Hate to say I told you so!

    And yes, if you wanted all those other young players to play this cup too, the SAME thing would've occurred, if not even worse. We would've left with goleadas that would be stuck in your head forever.

    Now that a NEW process will begin, YES, I am all for Gruezo and all the younger generation to get a chance b/c a new process will begin. But during a WC or a few months before? Hell no! We've ridiculed enough in this cup...there's no need to have scared away some young kids and ruin their first experience with the NT.
     
  22. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    lol Chiri and his mafia is going to pocket a good 6-7 and the 1 million (if we 're lucky enough) will be for the next coach.
     
  23. Manolo

    Manolo Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 14, 1997
    Queens, NY
    BTW who is still saying our defense was our weakness??!? Paredes, Dominguez and Frickson redeemed themselves tremendously. Ayovi was solid and intelligent as always, he should have never had the captain band taken away. Guagua committed some errors but not many over the course of 3 games. Our #1 problem was lack of midfield, which was always a problem but when we lost Castillo we were really screwed because RUEDA HAD NO BACKUPS. Minda did the job defensively but is limited in the attack. My suggestion before the games started was to move A. Valencia centrally because he can attack and defend, but as always Rueda took the conservative approach and gave the opponents the midfield in all 3 matches.
     
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  24. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I completely agree. The only time our defense was horrible was the last 15 minutes vs. Switzerland. Other than that it was either the defensive midfielders not pressuring or amateur mistakes. Not being aggressive on the attack and not putting in any effort to move our lines forward and propose dangerous situations on our rivals are what weakened us all because of one thing- We gave them the freakin ball. Period. In all of our games I am positive Ecuador did not dominate possession. And when you can't dominate possession there's only one thing that screams out- a poor midfield.
     
  25. b9d23m89

    b9d23m89 Member

    Jun 27, 2004
    house on the hills
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I was speaking with a friend of mine who knows Aguinaga and was with him this week and he asked him if he had any interest in coaching the NT and Alex said "primero se tienen que ir todos los que estan en la federacion" and with that he said it all.
     

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