News: Dynamo acquire ST Christian Ramirez

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  1. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    So the Dynamo did an Astros thing and made a deadline deal: Ramirez from LAFC for $250K in Garber Bucks (GAM/TAM).

    More if he hits performance thresholds.

    Have at it.

    https://theathletic.com/1123779/2019/08/07/

    Victor Arraiza got the scoop first so shout out to him.
     
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  2. Westside Cosmo

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    Yes, it is a deadline deal and probably not a bad value play. Gave up Garner bucks (some of which expire I believe) and only have to pay Ramirez’ $600k salary for 1/3 of the season. No idea about 2020 but wouldn’t surprise me that is an option year.

    Not quite like Jim Crane taking on $48 million of Greinke’s salary
     
  3. Varus

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    Well, Pena is officially surplus to requirements I guess.
     
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  4. ElNaranja

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    No surprise there as he has shown very little.
     
  5. Westside Cosmo

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    He seems like he’s buried for one reason or another with Wilmer beyond just playing skill
     
  6. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    For this ownership it's expensive because theres only so much free money around.
     
  7. *rey*

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    Feb 22, 2006
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    he kinda sucks.
     
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  8. Varus

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    Doyle is saying Manotas is likely gone, although he's not sourcing it. Also seems to be hinting that Elis departure is happening.
     
  9. ElNaranja

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    I'd be ok with either or both of those happening...so long as we get equitable payment.
     
  10. Ethos

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    I don't know what this means, but the new wallpaper they released has neither Elis nor Manotas. Just curious they would leave the two biggest stars out. Probably meaningless, but curious.
     
  11. juvechelsea

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    Feb 15, 2006
    Slow as molasses. I like him technically but we're not a back to goal forward team and if you play him into space wide probably the slowest defenders in the league would still win the footrace.
     
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  12. Varus

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    Cruz Azul already filled their #9 role.

    Piojo says Club America is in the market for a striker, so Manotas could be heading there.
     
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  13. Westside Cosmo

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    I would agree, he was not fleet of foot, decent size and decent vision but he’s not running by anyone. But I figured he’d still get a better run this year.

    A lot of Jordan’s signings that were mid-tier guys have disappeared under Cabrera
     
  14. Varus

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    I'm not sure Christian Ramirez is particularly fast either honestly. Might be in the same mold (although he's probably better than Pena).

    Truth is if we're losing Elis+Manotas might be time to shift away from Cabrera's 4-3-3 gimmick since the only speedster you have left worth a damn is Quioto.
     
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  15. juvechelsea

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    Feb 15, 2006
    It is the right decision now, below the red line, clear them out, rebuild.

    My issue would be sequencing. You tried to sell Elis in the winter. You got a bid for Manotas when summer was starting. So we're going to fart around, pretend like we're trying to make the playoffs, miss the incoming window, sell them, and basically tear the team down to the studs in the outgoing window? What about planning? If this was the plan all along, it shouldn't matter how well we do or don't do. You sell and try and set things up where there is as little swoon as possible and right back after playoffs this fall. They basically wasted the season.

    We're way too into appearances and moral victories. If we kept Elis to try and get a round deep in CCL that's silly. If the plan is we will suck this fall then all Ramirez does is risk draft position. It's like we're scared of truly sucking in which case we'd get some roster/draft benefits.

    Be real, Ramirez is basically Torres. One good year on an expansion type team where you could be selfish. Idea he will fill the hole is silly. Good for like 5 goals a season lately. Like I said, at that cost, why not just honestly blow it up rather than even pretend to try like this. This is pretending to try.

    Also, on these tools we just gave away, are they limited to this year? It would be an exceptional sort of foolish to spend tools on a crappy 4 month rental when we want to rebuild next year.
     
  16. Westside Cosmo

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    Certainly seems like this is a trade for 2020

    “The Dynamo sent LAFC $100,000 in 2019 General Allocation Money, $75,000 in 2020 General Allocation Money, $75,000 in 2020 Targeted Allocation Money, along with additional future performance-based considerations.”
     
  17. OnceAggie

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    Shuffling the chairs on the titanic.
     
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  18. Westside Cosmo

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    I think they are looking at bringing Eric Alexander back since he was waived yesterday by FC Cincinnati and shifting to a mainly backpass-driven offense
     
  19. Varus

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    All seriousness, I wouldn't be shocked if they announce Gringo Torres. He's not good enough to play in Liga MX anymore and there was an article about a month ago that he was looking to move to MLS.
     
  20. CeltTexan

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    I didn't know Gringo Torres was still pulling a paycheck down South of the Rio Grande!
    Martinez and Vera could pair nicely with him, have Memo play withdrawn off Ramirez at the #9.
     
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  21. DonJuego

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    So, while it would have been interesting to see, this didn't happen. I'm WAG guessing that he makes too much in LMx to actually get a move here. But I don't know. Again, I'd be inclined to add him I worry that he is not big enough for the physical MLS midfield given he is not Letief Blessing or Gerso Fernandes fast.
     
  22. juvechelsea

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    #22 juvechelsea, Aug 8, 2019
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    yeah, i noticed they signed brian rodriguez, a 19 year old prospect. i think it is incredibly dense to give away any tools on a half season rental solely designed as keeping up appearances while we sell players out. for what he does on the field he is overpaid -- even pro rata'd -- and it's silly to give away useful tools for next year -- when you will need to rebuild -- just to try and pull the wool over the fans this year that they should consider buying tickets. we should take our lumps, get our draft position, and build back out in the winter.

    or is the idea really that we are going forward with a cubo type with 5 goals for that $600k?
     
  23. juvechelsea

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    Feb 15, 2006
    I could see it, he is Texan. It would be interesting if we didn't sell. However bringing in these particular 31 and 28 year olds is not likely to result in competitiveness if we also sell Manotas and Elis. Already below the line and basically downgrading.

    And to me it would be moving in the wrong direction, back to the old man teams c. 2015-2016. What made this team interesting in spite of itself was the youthful front four. If the front starts to look like the back again we will become permanent cellar dwellers. And no one is going to want these guys from us if it doesn't work. It'll be like Alexander.
     

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