Dumb questions by a dumb fan

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by Brian621, Jan 10, 2007.

  1. Brian621

    Brian621 Member

    Oct 20, 2006
    East Providence
    You guys obviously know your stuff here, so I was wondering the following:

    1. How does the MLS Supplemental Draft work, and how does it relate to the SuperDraft?

    2. How does the Generation adidas program work? How long can a player be a member of GA?

    Thanks in advance!:)
     
  2. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Here's some rough answers. Im sure other people can help with the specifics.

    1. I'm not sure about it's prior purpose, but right now the supplemental draft is just another four round draft a week or two after the superdraft.

    2. GA players are signed before their senior year ensuring they stay in the league for a few years instead of going overseas. The GA players don't count on a team's senior roster for a certain number of years after they are picked.
     
  3. JMMUSA8

    JMMUSA8 New Member

    Nov 3, 2001
    Webster
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. I don't think it was introduced until the roster was expanded for the reserves. The draft was originally 6 rounds.

    2. GA's also make a lot more then the other draft picks.
     
  4. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct. It's basically rounds 5-8 of the draft and it's the same order as the original draft.
     
  5. NateP

    NateP Member

    Mar 28, 2001
    Plainfield, NH, USA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The supplemental draft is for all intents and purposes Rounds 5-8 of an 8 Round draft. It just happens a coulple of days after Rounds 1-4 and may, IIRC, be done by conference call rather than in a formal setting.

    The GenA players are college undercalssmen or U-17/U-20's that MLS signs (I believe at the request of at least one team) to contracts that pay better than regular Developmental Roster slots but nevertheless are still part of the Developmental Roster. Think of them as a way to get players you/MLS think will be Senior Roster quality but will have the advantage of being Salary Cap & Senior Roster exempt. Players also are promised scholarship help to go back to school if their pro career doesn't pan out. As for how long they last? It's a bit of a gray area. I believe they run until age 24 at maximum, however MLS will graduate players to the senior roster based on performance. For example Parkhurst signed a GenA contract, but after playing every game in 2005 he was bumoed to the senior roster last year. Willie Sims on the other hand also signed a GA contract, but played sparingly so he is still on that deal this year.


    Edit:
    Damn that was some pile on. That's what I get for tyoing so slow.
     
  6. REVS FAN 1

    REVS FAN 1 Member

    Jul 2, 2004
    Weymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In other words it's the "Not So SuperDraft"!:p
     
  7. Brian621

    Brian621 Member

    Oct 20, 2006
    East Providence
    You guys are the best!:)
     
  8. KATref

    KATref Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    Stow, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The perfect thread for me!
    Are jersey numbers pretty much pick whatever number you like if no one else has it..or is there some tradition associated with certain numbers? For example I've heard it said that the USNT needs a "true #10" Are they talking about someone who does/used to wear that number or is it reserved for a certain type of player?
     
  9. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but it used to be associated with positions on the field. So the GK is usually #1, CM is #10 etc. Pepe's the closest thing we've had to a #10 on this team the last few years. We're not sure if we currently have one for 85 days from today.
     
  10. REVS FAN 1

    REVS FAN 1 Member

    Jul 2, 2004
    Weymouth, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    A #10 is traditionally a central midfielder who is the main playmaker. A #9 is usually referred to as the striker/goal scorer. Players on club teams can choose whatever numbers they like....National Team players are numbered in order 1-24 or however many are allowed on the roster for that match...
     
  11. Tobas

    Tobas Member

    Jul 22, 2004
    Littleton, MA
    If I remember correctly it was initially based off of a standard 433.
    So numbers assigned by position as:
    -9---10----11
    -6----7-----8
    2---3---4---5
    ------1

    then most switched to a 442 moving the "10" back into a creative midfield role. Thus assigning numbers as:
    ---9-----11
    -----10
    6-----7------8
    2---3---4---5
    ------1

    hence 9,11 are your forward and 10 is the attacking/creative midfielder.
     
  12. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what I was remembering. Good. :eek:
     
  13. KATref

    KATref Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    Stow, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks guys!
     
  14. nsa

    nsa Member+

    New England Revolution; Boston Breakers
    United States
    Feb 22, 1999
    Notboston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Try the really old 2-3-5. :eek:

    --------1--------
    ----2-------3----
    -4------5------6-
    7---8---9--10-11

    The front 5 typically morphed into an "M"

    ----8------10---
    -7------9-----11

    so the #10 was a withdrawn forward who looked more like a midfielder.
     
  15. bwidell

    bwidell Member+

    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. mallon

    mallon New Member

    Feb 15, 1999
    When I was playing 11/12 year old soccer in the late 70s, my coach played a 2-3-5 - which was the formation of favor when he was young.

    7 8 9 10 11
    4 5 6
    2 3
    1

    That would agree with Wiki which indicates that wingers were typically 7 and 11. The central defender was 5. My friend, the coach's son, always wanted number 9. He was central forward and boy, could he score goals.

    Dan
     
  17. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Most of the more established leagues still try to hold to the tradition while others (including MLS obviously) do not.

    But, players who really strive to be great setup players usually strive to get the prized #10 shirt, just as those who aspire to be great scorers want the #9 (and goalkeepers the #1). And having a number <= 11 carries the "starter" prestige with it.
     
  18. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's only been the last 20 or so years that "squad" numbers have come in to play at the club level. It used to be that whoever the starters were, they'd wear the 1-11 jerseys. The spare keeper would often wear 12 (notice how many keepers wear that # even now) and since 13 was unlucky, the subs would wear 14, 15 and 17.

    "Squad" numbers became more prevalent in International play, since there was a fixed roster for a tournament like the WC, and it was easier just to give each player a unique number. For some really weird reason, the Dutch keeper, Youngbloed, wore #8 at the 1974 World Cup.

    Believe it or not, that bastion of soccer traditionalism and purity in Central Ohio had the Crew keepers both being assigned to the jerseys 1 and 33. Whoever started would wear #1 and the other guy would wear #33, regardless of which keeper it was.
     
  19. Brazile

    Brazile Member

    Mar 12, 2000
    Arlington, MA, USA
    Same time period and age for me, but ours was more of a 3-3-4 or 3-2-5, I think for the same reason. My coach was Indian, don't know how he ended up being more of a soccer player than a cricket player.
     
  20. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hey hey hey Stop it! :p
     
  21. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is Houston going to wear that scudetto thing this coming season or you think in all this SuperLiga Beckham Mania they already forgot about it?
     
  22. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    I'd imagine they still are, along with the silver ball thing. Someone in Houston said they will be selling replicas with the wordmark and the authentic jersies will have the sponsor's logo and scudetto. I'm actually expecting the Revs to only sell authentic kits with a sponsor logo on it if they get one.
     
  23. firstshirt

    firstshirt Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Ellington, CT / NK, RI
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    thats the formation i started off in, back in 75. two wingers, two Iners and a center forward. The worst kids on the team always played fullback. midfielders were halfbacks
     

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