Dual nationals who could suit up for the US.

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by juvechelsea, Oct 26, 2018.

  1. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tata's record for finding diamonds on the rough is not good. Miles didn't get a chance until he left. Bello only got spot minutes.
     
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  2. xbhaskarx

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    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Boy that Tata Martino, great hire for Mexico, in retrospect... no complaints from me.
     
  3. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think at this point in the cycle someone like Vazquez is just not someone Mexico is going to try and poach. They are pretty locked into their strikers and to get Vazquez this close to the World Cup you have to offer him a legit shot to compete for a World Cup spot. Tata just isn't doing it, but Berhalter may.

    Now if he doesn't end up making the World Cup roster for the US in November, then Mexico probably does try for him next cycle at some point.
     
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  4. an1310

    an1310 Member+

    Jun 2, 2003
    Atlanta, GA
    I frankly don't think Mexico rates him, given reports that Chivas was mining some fan site for a transfer valuation. Now I know there's a difference between an also-ran Liga MX team and the FMF, but I think it's indicative of what the thinking is regarding MLS-developed forwards.
     
  5. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I don't think he's on their World Cup radar.

    They are absolutely going to turn to players like Santi Gimenez, Henry Martin, Eduardo Aguirre and JJ Macias in terms of striker, long before Brandon Vazquez.

    If you toss Raul at this front there, that's their striker pool. I'd expect Jimenez, Gimenez and Martin at the World Cup.
     
  6. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think he is either and given that, there's no risk of losing him for the time being. Tata is pretty set on Jimenez, Gimenez, and Funes Mori I think.

    And I think Vazquez will almost certainly be on the September camp roster for the USMNT too.
     
  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup. Mexico loves to poach youth players on the idea that they may one day turn into something. But it's much harder to poach someone like Vazquez unless they are actually going to play a role with your team immediately.
     
  8. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I don't know about that.
    Tata didn't use a big group of young Atlanta players (Carleton, Goslin, and that whole first generation of homegrowns). But he did provide a lot of opportunities to Vasquez and Miles Robinson. So he must have seen something.

    Here's the crazy thing about Tata Martino.
    Mexico is ranked 12th in the World.
    They've lost 1 game all of calendar year 2022 (to Uruguay).
    And yet everybody flips out about how they're some kind of disaster.
    Their average ranking this cycle has been better than the previous cycle. True story.

    ....................but anyway, I have no clue why Mexico isn't interested in Vasquez. They've called up Mexican-Americans like Ochoa from MLS that have nowhere near the same impact. They're calling up former FCD homegrown Alex Zendejas to camps. Why? I don't know. Zendejas wouldn't get near any kind of USMNT camp.
     
  9. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    For Miles these are his numbers while playing for Tata.

    2017 he was promoted to 1st team of Atlanta. He did not play a single game.
    Miles started the 2018 season with Atlanta2 he played 14 games
    he was promoted to the first team and played only 10 games.
    After Tata left, Miles played 34 games the following season (2019)

    For Vazquez here are his numbers.
    2017 he played 13 games with the first team.
    2018 he played 8 games. Halfway through the season, he was sent to Atlanta 2, he played 6
    After Tata left, he played 11 games with first team and 6 with Atlanta2.
    The following year he went Cincy.
     
  10. DGreat

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    CD Guadalajara
    Mexico
    Oct 5, 2007
    El Ombligo
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    It's the way Mexico is playing, really uninspiring soccer and not a lot of scoring from the forwards. It's a big difference from how the team played in the first half of Tata's tenure. I still think Chicharito should be called but I doubt Tata bites the bullet unless the scoring drought continues.
     
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  11. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  12. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
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  13. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  14. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Just to confirm the situation
     
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  15. Clint Eastwood

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    Dec 23, 2003
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  16. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Tata is definitely set in his forwards so don't think it will change. Who knows what the next coach might do though.
     
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  17. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Not sure where else to post this.

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  18. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2843 xbhaskarx, Aug 13, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2022
    <Drudge siren> DUAL NAT DEBUT <Drudge siren>

    Koleosho


    Edit: NOT a debut, Luca Koleosho played for Espanyol last season. So a 17 year old playing in his second season in La Liga... that's even more impressive!
     
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  19. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But, is he interested playing for us?
     
  20. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2845 xbhaskarx, Aug 13, 2022
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2022
    Yes he is and the US is the only country he’s played for so far (U-15s)…

    Luca Koleosho hasn't closed the door on USMNT despite Canada call-up - source

    “Counting friendlies, he's played in 7 of last 8 games team has played going back to May.”

     
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  21. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well if Canada offers him a World Cup spot don’t know if there’s a ton we can do on that front. Of course for him to be cap tied he’d have to actually play in the World Cup too.

    His current path with the US probably involves the U20 World Cup and the Olympics, and possibly next summer’s Gold Cup.
     
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  22. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    What is Jack Harrison's status?
     
  23. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's English and undoubtedly surrendered his Green Card when he left the US (why pay US taxes on a lot of money when you don't have to?)

    He's provisionally cap-tied to England for 2 U21 appearances back in 2017. He could conceivably do a one-time switch under the new FIFA eligibility rules, but that would mean 5 years living in the US to get citizenship (3 if married to a US citizen).

    He did get his Green Card in 2017, but probably surrendered it. Even if he retained it, he moved to the UK back in early 2018, so he had no way to get the additional 1.5 years of physical presence in the US (taking off the one year of time before he moved to England). Even if he spent all his vacation in the US, he would be nowhere near getting 135+ days a year physically in the US during that time. And the clock resets on the early credit after 5 years, so he would lose the year of 2017 if he didn't apply for US citizenship.

    So, all that being said, there is almost no way he is near getting US citizenship.
     
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  24. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    He's English. Never got US citizenship.
     
  25. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    He’s not ever playing for us, but it won’t have anything to do with taxes. I’m sure the taxes he pays in England more than cover whatever his tax bill might be in America if he still has the green card.
     

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