"VAR is gonna stop having the referees be the story of the game and we can, instead, focus on the football." - VAR Proponents
What a joke. Surprising to see this at all, let alone like a week after the entire country came out to say how much referees should be supported and respected. That lasted a while! Should be not only a forfeit but a hefty points deduction. Can’t normalize or justify this sort of lack of sportsmanship.
I would expect spiritus sanction from the league. But not because it supports the ref. Walking off the field damages the product.
Meanwhile today in the Turkish 3rd tier. 🚨🇹🇷 Mass brawl in Bursaspor-Diyarbekirspor match right now! Crazy scenes. 5 players were shown red cards in total. (🎥 @PanenkaSport) pic.twitter.com/YLwUveADEh— EuroFoot (@eurofootcom) December 20, 2023
People are being way too harsh. Last week, they were punching refs and kicking them when they were down. Now, they're simply taking the players off the field or fighting among each other. Baby steps. Rome wasn't built in a day. On a serious note, it's a shame since the Turkish National Team made great strides this year to put together a decent team as they've been mostly irrelevant over the past 15 years. Most of their players are still playing on domestic teams, but their leaders are still neanderthals.
Staying in the Asian continent , here was chaos in Indian league. Apparently 5 of the 7 reds given are in his video https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/B9dKuyh90C
My first thought on the first red (other than looking in the wrong pocket) was this guy is going to get decked with the way he's holding it in front of the players face. Low and behold, he's involved with another player making contact with him in the 57th minute.
The replay shows a flying knee to the back, but the announcer thinks because the studs aren't lifted, it's not red...
It's especially silly when the studs dig into the calf on the way down. Man that 2CT for a dive was really poor. He had plenty of contact on his knees.
For what it's worth, neither of the two coach cards are at the right time. The Napoli one was earlier than listed (and off-screen). Mourinho's was in reaction to the yellow card given at 38', which was... soft to non-existent? And the reaction wasn't that bad at all. If the Napoli coach wasn't already booked, I kind of doubt Mourinho gets his yellow there. I can't wait until we have a good clip of this to share. Fascinated to see how people think an EPL--or even MLS--ref would handle. It's a gratuitous kick-out after the SPA but the contact is minimal and it's with the laces or outsole. It's the kind of thing we all reflexively knew was VC in the beforetimes, but I feel most refs/competitions have moved toward "meh, that's UB" in the here and now. Interestingly, the first Napoli player to arrive on the scene went to the guilty player to say "what are you doing?" rather than protest with the ref. Of course, the protests with the ref then came. Still, fascinating window in the geographic/cultural differences on what might be expected for the exact same behavior in different competitions.
Napoli-Roma 66' SPA + attacker VC RC https://streamin.one/v/c556b2ba This game seemed like a spitshow so I'll try to watch the full thing if I can. Also I enjoy the coach, assistant coach, and player at the end all doing the Italian tented fingers hand gesture
It's a classic pre 2015 VC kickout that var was going to stop that instead just became accepted as a yellow now. No way they go red in England.
Yes, but I'd maybe move that 2015 back to 2011 or maybe even earlier, depending upon the level of competition and organizer. I feel like ever since this red card at the WC, the desire to have these actually be given has diminished...
Coincidentally that referee (Ruiz) was at his third World Cup so he went through World Cup/pre-tournament seminars where that was no ifs and buts a red card. Always. He did one more match at that World Cup and didn't officiate at the knockout stages of that tournament. Would the refereeing stars of that World Cup who were at their first World Cup (Howard Webb, Kassai, and Irmatov) have given a red card there?
If we're being honest and want to go through the effort, I'm willing to be that there was at least something close in one of their games in that World Cup.
This discussion reminds me of the VC in Orsato’s ARG-MEX that went under everyone’s (except referee nerds’) radar.
Webb faced a somewhat comparable incident - according to strictly applying the laws, he should have sent off an Italian for striking out at the Slovakia goalkeeper in the epic group decider, but instead he only cautioned both (the keeper for time-wasting by trying to keep the ball in the net after Italy scored). FIFA internally supported the decision, YC for the Italian was assessed as correct. I think the 'modern prism' maybe swings the impression of the Ruiz red card a bit much, I think it was an easily expected decision back then. These ideas about the 'force' of a potential VC didn't really exist, at least as we know them today. Fast-forward to WC2014, and even this Pogba kick out incident was determined by the new FIFA as being only worthy of a yellow card (internally).
Right. Something happened between WC10 and WC14. I’m not saying the Ruiz red card was the reason for the shift. But I’m sure it was part of a conversation or used as an example.
Who could have guessed the biggest game in Turkish football would see a moment like this. https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/18q0yl3/galatasaray_penalty_shout_vs_fenerbahçe/