Does NT need a new manager?

Discussion in 'Korea' started by sebcoe, Jun 30, 2005.

  1. sebcoe

    sebcoe Red Card

    Jan 14, 2005
    I think Bonfrere has had enough time to prove himself, but I've lost faith in him now. I thought Pim Verbeek, Hiddink's assistant might have been the better option. But I think the technical committee made fools of themselves during the process that led to Bonfrere's hire.

    I can't believe they gave the press a list of coaches whom they had neither contacted in advance, nor investigated the contractual situations with their current clubs. It was very naive to think that Metsu would take at least a 100 percent paycut to take a position at a team that would almost certainly fail to meet the expectations of the fans and the upper management. With the list of names that were on this list, I'm surprise Sven G-E's name wasn't there.

    Realistically speaking, maybe Ian Porterfield should be given the coaching position. He is doing a good job at Pusan, with lesser-known talent, while Suwon, supposedly the Chelsea of K-League, are underachieving. Porterfield has plenty of experience with top-class football, and I think having coached in the Premiership gives him more valuable experience and credentials than Bonfrere, who was lucky to take over a team composed heavily of players that won the U-20 Championship only years before.

    Opinions, please.
  2. gokorea

    gokorea Member

    Jun 2, 2005
    this is interesting, i was just reading about Porterfield on naver news. it looks like he's done great things so far with busan.. but what's his biggest accomplishment so far? isn't it like taking a FIFA ranking #50 team to #25 with some country (whose name eludes me at the moment)? if it was due to him, i think it's pretty impressive..

    but yeah, i agree that just about anyone (well maybe not anyone) would be better than bon frere. i dont trust the guy, not that my trust matters. i watch KNT and i feel like we're regressing, not progressing. why does he favor lee dong-gook and kim dong-jin so much? my fave player, lee young-pyo, is wasting away on the right side in the meantime. why did he not make substitutions in the kuwait game when it was obvious that we were winning, to let non main players get some experience and rest the obviously injured players? why why why? o_O o_O

    no, i dont like bon frere. i wish they'd change NOW.

    i wonder, however, if it's now just too late.

    and i also wonder that as long as korean football association (chook-hyup) is full of people more interested in entrenching their power and not in the game itself, it doesnt matter who is the manager/coach because chook-hyup will just control by controlling purse strings..
  3. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Manchester United FC
    We shouldnt forget that has taken Korea to the World Cup, but there was some problems under the way. He made some really weird things, from the players he choose to coaching. So first, lets see how he manage to handle the games before the World Cup , if he ********s it up. Change manager.
  4. GuruSky

    GuruSky Member

    Jan 7, 2004
    FC Barcelona
    it's either now of never, but even now is too late.

    and no matter what the fans are blabbing about, Bonny will be our coach in Germany next year.

    it's true that Bonny was in charge for about a year and haven't showed much promise besides few games since he took over, but remember Hiddink's 1st 12 months in Korea?

    his '1 year anniversary' was when we played in the Gold Cup. don't forget drawing with Cuba and getting bitch slapped by Costa Rica. not to mention getting owned by Uruguay in Montevideo a month after the Gold Cup.
  5. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Manchester United FC
    If they want to have another manager before the WC , yes maybe its to late, im afraid.
  6. Seo#6

    Seo#6 Member

    Apr 17, 2005
    this topic has been going on... and on.... and on..... search plz.

  7. sebcoe

    sebcoe Red Card

    Jan 14, 2005
    The lack of time is the very reason why I mention Porterfield, because it would not be a big transition for him, because I'm sure that he knows many of the players already from having played against them in the K-League. And I think he has a much better idea of the talent within the Korean professional ranks than Bonfrere. I remember Bonfrere's comments after the Hauzen Cup final when asked if any players impressed him. He said he couldn't remember any of their names! What was he doing? Bonfrere seems always to be in Hiddink's shadow. He seems very reluctant to let go of Hiddink's players, even when they have proven ineffective like Lee Chun-soo, Yoo Sang-chul, and Ahn. And I think he is a rather poor tactician. Sure, Korea beat up on Kuwait, I think the scoreline would have been much closer if Kuwait wasn't forced into offense so early, or if Kuwait had scored first. I was very unimpressed with the games against Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, and even during the first ten minutes or so against Kuwait. It is really time for a change, and it's not too late if we get someone like VerBeek or Porterfield.
  8. seolseol

    seolseol Member+

    Apr 26, 2003
    Manchester United FC
    That shows Boner has no interest, im just a swedish sucker that doesnt watch any k-league game, i promise you i know more players than him.
  9. GuruSky

    GuruSky Member

    Jan 7, 2004
    FC Barcelona
    he never said that he doesn't remember the players' names. he said that he didn't wanna mention anyone's name in public.

    if you wanna say Bonfrere is underachieving, you can say that. but you can't say that he has no interest. the guy attends K-League games round by round and goes all the way to Europe just to see how our European based players are performing.

    he's trying hard, but it's not paying off yet. is it because he's not a proven coach? maybe. but one thing you should give him credit for is that this guy is trying hard to make us better.

    and to be honest, we're not doing as bad as you guys are making it out to be.
  10. sac517

    sac517 Member+

    May 23, 2005

    yeah lets give him a not his biggest fan, but i do believe he is makign an effort to improve the team. it isnt the way that most of us want him to go about it, but i do think hes trying his heart out.

    a solid win against KSA next month and a good performance in the EAFF, and we'll all be quiet about lets see what happens.
  11. gokorea

    gokorea Member

    Jun 2, 2005
    here's a recent interview of Bon Frere. the last line is really funny.
    i think he is a nice guy and he's trying. but i still do think he doesnt have what it takes..

    [대표팀]본프레레 감독 취임1년 단독인터뷰

    [동아일보 2005-07-01 03:25]

    “2002 한일월드컵 때와는 다른 한국축구대표팀을 만들겠다. 2002년 때는 수비 중심으로 경기를 운영하다가 한번의 역습을 노리는 식으로 경기를 했다. 하지만 지금은 그게 통하지 않는다. 공격적인 축구를 펼쳐야 한다.”

    한국축구대표팀 요하네스 본프레레(59) 감독. 지난해 6월 17일 계약해 한국축구대표팀을 이끈 지 1년이 된 그를 30일 2005 컨페더레이션스컵 브라질-아르헨티나의 결승전이 열린 독일 프랑크푸르트 발트스타디움에서 만났다.

    본프레레 감독은 앞으로 한국축구대표팀이 해결해야 할 우선 과제로 체력 보강을 꼽았다. 그는 “유럽 프로축구 빅리그의 선수들은 경기가 없는 날도 거의 매일 오전 오후 두 차례씩 훈련을 하지만 한국 대표선수들은 이렇게 훈련을 하면 쉽게 지친다”며 “내년 월드컵에서 좋은 성적을 거두려면 강한 체력을 바탕으로 한 조직력이 뒷받침돼야 한다”고 강조했다.

    ● 프로구단, 월드컵 소집훈련 협조해야

    한국축구대표팀의 수비가 불안하고 공격 전술이 단순하다는 지적에 대해 그는 “거스 히딩크 감독이 대표팀을 이끌 때는 K리그 각 구단의 양해하에 1년 반 이상 선수들을 소집해 대표팀 훈련을 할 수 있었지만 지금은 국가대표팀 간 경기를 앞두고도 고작 3일밖에 합숙훈련을 할 수 없는 상황에서 비판만 한다고 될 일이냐”며 “내년 월드컵을 앞두고는 좀 더 훈련할 시간을 줄 것을 각 프로구단에 바라며 좋은 수비수를 찾기 위해 지금도 노력하고 있다”고 밝혔다.

    ● 박주영, 뮌헨 가서 몸싸움 경험했으면

    그는 “독일에서 열리는 내년 월드컵을 앞두고 독일 최고의 명문클럽인 바이에른 뮌헨이 대표팀의 골잡이인 박주영 영입에 관심을 보이는 것은 정말 반가운 소식”이라며 “박주영이 독일 프로축구 분데스리가에서 뛰면서 격렬한 몸싸움에서 이길 수 있는 체력을 갖췄으면 좋겠다”고 덧붙였다.

    미리 보는 월드컵으로 불리는 컨페더레이션스컵을 통해 드러난 세계 축구의 흐름에 대해 그는 “오늘 브라질 대 아르헨티나의 결승전에서 개인기가 한 수 위인 브라질이 팀워크가 앞서는 아르헨티나를 대파하는 것을 보면서 내년 월드컵에서 개인기가 뛰어난 팀들을 어떻게 상대할 것인지 고민 중”이라고 말했다.

    ● 박지성 창조적 플레이로 英서 성공할것

    그는 또 잉글랜드 프리미어리그 맨체스터 유나이티드에 입단하는 박지성에 대해 “그동안 박지성이 뛰던 네덜란드 리그보다 잉글랜드 프리미어리그는 훨씬 스피드가 빠르고 몸싸움이 격렬하다. 말 그대로 세계 최고의 선수들이 모이는 곳이기 때문에 얼마나 빨리 주전을 확보하고 적응하느냐가 관건이 될 것”이라며 “박지성은 경기 흐름을 읽는 머리와 체력이 뛰어나고 창조적인 플레이를 하기 때문에 프리미어리그에서도 분명히 성공할 것”이라고 전망했다.

    “2일 귀국해 31일부터 열리는 동아시아컵축구대회를 대비할 예정”이라는 본프레레 감독은 “개고기를 비롯한 모든 한국음식이 입에 잘 맞고 한국생활에도 전혀 불편이 없다. 한국과 축구를 너무 좋아하는 나를 애정을 갖고 지켜봐 달라”며 한쪽 눈을 찡긋해 보였다.

    프랑크푸르트=정재윤 기자
  12. Paul.eta

    Paul.eta Member

    Jan 21, 2003
    Boner needs an assistant if anything, he tries to do everything by himself.

    He needs a trainer with a hard regime that will whip them into better physical shape (particularily the upper body and stamina).
  13. YCashMoney42

    YCashMoney42 Member

    Sep 21, 2004
    Supposely 1 Out of every 3, Korean netizen (internet users) think Korea needs a new coach
  14. GuruSky

    GuruSky Member

    Jan 7, 2004
    FC Barcelona
    well, they did something similar in middle of the Hiddink era and at that time, more than 50% of people who voted wanted Hiddink out of Korea.
  15. taegukgi2004

    taegukgi2004 New Member

    Jan 10, 2005

    bonfire suck a big dik.....he is nothing but an ordinary coach nothing more or nothing less......We should of hired Metsu or at least verbeek a chance...bonfire is just an ordianary coach who like everyone in asia, like understands that korea would qualitfy for the world cup in germany, but we need a coach who will take us further than the tournament and make us proud like guus.........i just dont just dont think that our players are inspired by bonfire coaching tactics...
  16. rkim291968

    rkim291968 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    CA, USA
    Yeah, I know what you mean so I won't get into it. Instead, here are dozen different ways to spell KNT manager's name:

  17. Elliad

    Elliad Member

    Jun 22, 2002
    Sydney, Australia
    I can't believe that you left out the one name to rule them all and bind them all in Darkness... Boner :D
  18. rkim291968

    rkim291968 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    CA, USA
    haha. fixed now.
  19. Hyok

    Hyok Member+

    Sep 4, 2002
    How about bbongjjak? :)
  20. indahplace2b

    indahplace2b Member

    Jun 13, 2005

  21. Step-Over

    Step-Over Member

    Mar 29, 2003
    My thoughts: The KNT is now situated at a point of no return. If we fire him now, the KNT will be in shambles, reeling from the unexpected change in management. The WC is now LESS than a year away. I remember all the negative press Hiddink got when he took charge. Let's give Bonferre a chance.

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