PBP: DISCUSSION OF WIRELESS VIBRATING ANAL BEADS USED TO CHEAT AT CHESS

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  1. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    This is all on the margin

    Is he a 2700 super GM?
    is he a super GM who is cheating?
    is he a 2600 who is cheating a lot?
     
  2. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yes - its at the margin

    This is what Hikaru was saying about the game John mentioned. Lev Aronian - one of the very best players in the world - was thrown by a strange move - lev said he played very strangely or something like that

    There is a lot of mind games now, because Lev clearly thinks he is cheating, which then changes how you play
     
  3. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
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    "doped his ass off"?
    Watch that language in the anal beads thread!
    People might get the wrong idea about Lance. Probably would be noticable in this biking shorts.
     
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  4. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    Yes, that's right. Niemann made two odd moves that put the game into unknown territory. Aronian had his choice of several reasonable responses that would have placed him in a normal position, but he chose an inferior move. Then Niemann responded brilliantly to that one mistake, quickly ending the game.

    Although Aronian clearly erred, he was also punished unusually harshly for that mistake. Which brings us back to the central point -- the guy is either a very adept Iand persistent) cheater, or he is currently playing at Magnus Carlsen level. (Or both.)
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    it's possible having played the g4 g5 novelty to get Lev out of book, Lev just blundered into Han's opening prep - it's a rapid game so it is not as if you have a lot of time to figure out the position over the board

    its hard to believe Hans cheated in that game given all the scrutiny - which does mean he is performing at Super GM level
     
  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    I used to find this kind of argument pretty convincing. Unrealistic things are unrealistic.

    It’s a lot less convincing since January 20, 2017.
     
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  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    He could be doing it, but with all the wanding and stuff, it is hard to believe they wouldn't find a device
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Sounders78, a little help here…what is “wanding?” Sounds magical.

    :ROFLMAO:;)
     
  9. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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  10. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
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    An update, sorely lacking in WIRELESS VIBRATING ANAL BEADS
     
  11. Sounders78

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    Um, have you seen Dumbledore's Elder Wand? The connection to vibrating anal beads should be obvious, even to a muggle! The wand chooses the wizard you know.

    (And if that ruins Harry Potter for you, I'll be happy to start in on the X-Men)
     
  12. superdave

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    I have never seen Harry Potter.
     
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  13. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

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    Well, then google Dumbledore's Elder Wand and decide for yourself. (And given you're not a fan, JK Rowling suggested Dumbledore was gay).
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    I'm about to tap out, so I'll google that tomorrow morning as soon as I get to work.
     
  15. Auriaprottu

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    Lots of people in the South haven't seen Harry Potter. You'd be surprised at the triggering that film did to some members of the Christian community. I dated a woman who was steadfast against anything HP, like she'd been listening to her pastor and church members. If she'd been any stupider, she'd bark at the moon.
     
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  16. Sounders78

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    I wouldn't be surprised actually - I've known about the "Satanic" aspects of it since it first came out, which became even stronger when Rowling suggested Dumbledore was gay. What I found more interesting was how some tried to find the Gospel in it. Nothing like co-opting a fantasy book series to spread the faith!
     
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  17. Auriaprottu

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    Oh, you haven't even be-********ing-GUN to see co-opting...



    Backwards, dangerous filth. These men are far too god-damned talented to piss all over a great Ambrosia tune with their praise to the flying spaghetti monster lyrics change. They can write their own propaganda or get someone to do it for them. Leave real music the ******** alone.
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    The chess fiasco is getting complicated and reminds me a lot of the issues in cycling. Clearly a lot of SuperGMs don't think Han's performances are real and Carlson objected to Hans being a replacement in the cup before he lost that game to him. It was only after that game that security measures were beefed up - it would have been easy to cheat to that point.

    Like cycling, the problem with getting hard proof is that other competitors can't get that - only the authorities can, and they have been weak. In reality FIDE are weaker than Carlson & Chessdotcom (which has acquired Carlson's upstart venture). I suspect we may even see an effective break away with Carlson now not defending his FIDE title and playing on the pro-tour - a lot of these tournaments his own company has effectively controlled to this point. Carlson has been huge in building chess as an e-sport since the pandemic. Chessdotcom has already banned Hans from it's events

    So like with Froome - Hans will probably be allowed to keep going for a time until he finally gets busted
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    One thing that has become clear is that clever cheaters probably can't be caught via data models alone.

    Where the smoke/fire is, is where users have zeroed in on certain games, and then analysed engine correlation. But that isn't statistical.

    So for instance, according to chessbase, Carlson has only 2 games with 100% engine correlation in his entire career, whereas Hans has many more.

    So then you have to look at those games and zero in on certain moves - e.g a move so stunning a human would be unlikely to find it.

    And really only other super GMs aided with engines can do that analysis. Because often the best engine continuation would be obvious to a SuperGM

    To me the real issue is Hans is playing moves so surprising other SuperGMs can't understand his play.

    But in at least one case, this has been because the move Hans played was simply bad but Alireza had to trust hans had calculated it properly - this is where the whole issue of engines can effect gameplay even if no one is using an engine!
     
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  20. roby

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    It seems you've dated some real gems! :whistling:
     
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  21. Auriaprottu

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    I have an attraction to churchy women, but I don't want them to be THAT damn churchy
     
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  22. russ

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    There's only certain times you want them to say "O God!", right?
     
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  23. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Apr 29, 2001
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    Step aside, vibrating chess anal beads. We done got ourselves a fishing scandal of Moby Dickian proportions

    (NSFW)
     
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  24. Ismitje

    Ismitje Super Moderator

    Dec 30, 2000
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    Checking that isn't standard operating procedure?
     
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  25. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
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    This thread has gotten lame. Like, why hasn't anyone suggested the Patriots use vibrating anal beads to cheat? They cheat all the time and are looking for an edge -- what if every player had vibrating anal beads and they sent down the plays that way?
     

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