Discussion / Criteria for New Coach

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by gogorath, Jul 11, 2024.

  1. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The real brains behind the Klinsmann success Gulati was desperate to replicate.
     
  2. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m less worried about that as it’s not as if many of the successful international coaches had a track record before their current gigs.

    The important things to me are 1) does their style of play fit our player pool, and 2) what is their track record of doing more with less and over performing relative to their talent level.
     
  3. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    A lot of talk about Herve Renard on Twitter:

     
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  4. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Renard makes sense.

    What I haven’t seen mentioned is this isn’t a full cycle with qualifying, where there is more opportunity for growth and experience and/or success vs CCAF comes into play.

    This next 20 months is almost solely aimed at global competition in the WC. So experience against global competition and various styles is of great importance. Someone who has been to the WC multiple times brings extreme value.

    The above is why I’d be extremely hesitant to hire Chero and think a full cycle with qualifying would be much better for him or someone like him.
     
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  5. Ghost

    Ghost Member+

    Sep 5, 2001
    I think the new coach should be familiar with the American player pool. And speak English. And if he were rrelated to an American soccer honcho, that would be great.
     
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  6. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas


    I don’t mind any of Renard, Nancy and Vieira as candidates, but why do we have so many French guys on the list. I don’t love the French, I must say.
     
  7. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    Most impressive on Herve Renard’s resume is winning AFCON with Zambia, a huge underdog. And qualifying Morocco for the 2018 World Cup, when they had not qualified for many years. Renard recruited a lot of dual nats to that team, which became the basis of the 2022 semifinal team. He also won the AFCON with the Ivory Coast.
     
  8. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    Well, French coaching must be doing something right since they have produced arguably the best player pools over the last couple of decades and have been the most successful national team with 4 World Cup final appearances in that time.
     
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  9. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    That's pretty much out the door with Crocker putting "serial winner" first on his list.
     
  10. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Cherundolo and Renard are probably the safety picks for Crocker. Looks like both are ready to go.
     
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  11. FatRon09

    FatRon09 New Member

    Arsenal
    Brazil
    Sep 14, 2023
    how about jogi low? according to the internet he is "interested" in getting back into national team management. what better "project" than working with the usmnt's potential?
     
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  12. Kirium

    Kirium Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK
    I think it's actually fairly simple, I do agree with most of what's been posted.

    for me:

    1. A coach with the ability to be flexible. Take a look at what the pool offers and utilize them in a system to best match their abilities.

    2. A Coach who is

    He was pretty good in Game of Thrones.

    [​IMG]
     
  13. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It is funny he's never mentioned. His team was young and played hard on the front foot. He won a WC. Yet his name never comes up. Too long out of it?
     
  14. Kirium

    Kirium Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK

    Most recent article I have seen on Low, here's some out takes:

    Reflecting on his extensive travels as Bundestrainer scouting players across Germany, Low spoke about seeking a "fitting challenge" for his next assignment. Expressing excitement about the prospect of the 2026 World Cup in North America, he stated, "I've travelled through this country for 17 years, been to all kinds of stadiums, and know the clubs very well."

    With a clear vision for the future, Joachim Low remains focused on potential challenges, setting his sights on the 2026 World Cup as he distances himself from club management opportunities.


    https://www.planetsport.com/soccer/news/joachim-low-shuts-down-bayern-munich-coaching-links
     
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  15. United4Evra

    United4Evra Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Dec 13, 2022
    History would indicate that’s not really a high bar, or even a thing. You’ve got roughly a month with the players before the WC. If you can’t install a system in a month, either your system is too complicated, or you shouldn’t be a coach. Coaches do this all the time in preseason. Coaches take over mid season and get the “new manager bump”.

    I do think that knock out tournament and league matches are a different animal. In general, I feel there are certain coaches that are great / better in cup competitions. Classic examples are Rafa Benitez and Unai Emery.
     
  16. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He could bring in Klinsmann on his staff to do the "blah, blah, blah" part.
     
  17. manfromgallifrey91

    Swansea City
    United States
    Jul 24, 2015
    Wyoming, USA
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Probably the booger eating.

    In all seriousness, that was so gross lol. But really he is a great coach with a proven track record at the international level and seems to be a great fit. He'd definitely be in my top 3 of candidates to take the job

    Zidane
    Low
    Renard

    Then you get into the next tier
    Poch
    Sergio Conceicao
    Moyes
    Kovac
    Allegri

    Then come the next wave where you find a mix of younger and up and comers, you hope it doesn't get here this cycle (Dolo and managers like that).

    Or you never know they may go old and out of the game but has the titles to show for it. I think Di Zerbi would've been great but he was hired. Interesting next few weeks but next guy has to be better.
     
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  18. Marius Tresor

    Marius Tresor Member+

    Aug 1, 2014
    After being coached by their buddy Gregg, I wonder how the player pool would react to this:
     
  19. Kirium

    Kirium Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Edmond, OK

    Frenchmen aren't known for being quiet vocally.....LOL
     
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  20. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    They seem pretty good at the sport.
     
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  21. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Yea I know, suburban Paris produces the best players in the world. It’s amazing. I’m just saying….

    I was in France recently and boy, I was really really tired of French people on about the 5th day. That’s all I’m saying. French people man…

    These fanboy nerds would be begging for Gregg to come back and give them a power point.
     
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  22. The Clientele

    The Clientele Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Jun 25, 2005
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I came to the same conclusion. Spain has looked to be on another level from all the games I’ve watched this summer, both Euros and Copa America.
     
  23. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    And note that the Spanish coach is somebody who came up through the ranks managing their youth teams and has never managed a club team.

    So maybe the best American candidate would be someone like Tab Ramos, not any of the MLS guys.
     
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  24. Jumbalaya

    Jumbalaya Member+

    Apr 27, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Sunderland AFC
    Phil Jackson just get someone in who knows how to win and doesn't give a flip about ego's and who's family has prestige in the program or not.
     
  25. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Phil Jackson doesn't coach the US. Phil finds the most talented teams in the world and coaches there.
     
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