Diego (Mr. MVP) gets his green card

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by rkupp, Oct 21, 2013.

  1. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    This is quite a big deal:

    - saves the Revs a international slot

    - starts the clock ticking towards USNT eligibility

    - it also may make it easier for him to play overseas (I would assume he wouldn't have risked leaving the US long-term before having the protection of residency).

    Strange that it's taken this long, but better late than never.
     
  2. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. bwidell

    bwidell Member+

    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "U.S. naturalization laws state that Fagundez must now wait five years before applying for citizenship (it can be reduced to three if he marries a citizen) so fall 2018 appears to be the most likely date he can get a passport and, theoretically, suit up for the Yanks. But there are a few stipulations in there. He has to live in the U.S. for 30 months in those five years, he cannot be outside the country for more than six months in a row and he has to live in the U.S. from the date he applies for citizenship until he receives it, which can take weeks or months.

    So what happens if Fagundez leaves to play in Europe? He would have to do so only after April 2016 (30 months from now), but he could leave as early as April 2015 so long as he returns for at least eight weeks each summer in his offseason. He would also have to ensure that he comes back to the U.S. at least once every six months, even if only for a day or a weekend."


    http://www.starsandstripesfc.com/us...2/diego-fagundez-usa-citizen-green-card-usmnt
     
  4. CottageRev

    CottageRev Member+

    Jun 13, 2010
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Fantastic news!

    Eh, Diego just signed an extension, and I've never heard of South American clubs paying transfer fees, so I doubt he goes anywhere. I think Diego's here for the foreseeable future, maybe until age 22-23, when he has multiple strong MLS seasons under his belt and he can make a big splash in Europe at his highest potential value.
     
  5. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The team BTW is Penarol.
     
  6. 6and33areGOD

    6and33areGOD Member

    Jun 19, 2011
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    How realistic is it that the 2 are actually linked with each other? I'd imagine the Revs and Diego have been working toward this since he signed with the team.
     
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  7. Chowda

    Chowda Member

    Sep 13, 2004
    Rhode Island
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Is it really that strange? I don't want to start a fire and then run away, so all I'll ask is you put yourself in the shoes of his parents and the stance the state's top law enforcer takes on such things. Logic should tell you to why there was no rush for a number of understandable reasons.
     
  8. Blue Lou

    Blue Lou Member

    Nov 13, 2006
    There's a long way to go before he can play for the United States Mutant Ninja Turtles.

    If he gets married to an American tomorrow and lives in the U.S.A. for three years and gets his citizenship, he won't yet be eligible.

    There's citizenship laws and FIFA rules.

    FIFA rule

    and there's also this:

    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/AFFederation/Generic/02/14/97/88/FIFAStatuten2013_E_Neutral.pdf

    Definitions

    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tou...egulations_gov_international_matches_2011.pdf

    http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/AFFederation/Generic/02/14/97/88/FIFAStatuten2013_E_Neutral.pdf

    In short, if he plays for Uruguay in an official competition before he gets citizenship with the U.S., he'll become cap-tied to them. He already has two U-20 caps with Uruguay but these were in friendlies.
     
  9. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait, so if he plays in a qualifier for a Ux World Cup he's cap tied? That doesn't sound like how I thought the system worked
     
  10. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You have to be a citizen or eligible for citizenship for both countries before you represent one in a competitive match. Otherwise you're cap-tied.
     
  11. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Yes, I can understand the reluctance to put in an application. But, by the time he joined the academy, things were pretty much out in the open. Maybe he applied then and it's taken this long - or maybe he waited longer before applying.
     
  12. 6and33areGOD

    6and33areGOD Member

    Jun 19, 2011
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    My understanding is it usually takes 2-3 years to get a green card, even with an employer sponsoring the applicant. I'm guessing he applied pretty much as soon as he signed his pro contract and had a work visa.
     
  13. patfan1

    patfan1 Moderator
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    Aug 19, 1999
    Nashua, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And for the first time that I remember ... he's actually saying he wants to play for the USMNT.

     
  14. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FUUUUUUGGRERREEEEASDFFF

    Great news
     
  15. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Yes, but he's leaving himself an out (something along the lines of "I've got options").

    If he gets an alluring offer from a European club, it's going to be tough to turn down in order to continue his 5+ year wait (along with the residency requirement).

    If he gets a nice offer in the next few years (and I would expect he will), it'll be very easy to take it and "settle" for playing for Uruguay. I wish it were otherwise, but I'm not going to count on him playing for the USNT until that citizenship comes through.
     
  16. rhiggz

    rhiggz Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    Oregon
    It's a whacky system when someone that lives their whole life in Germany can play for the US before someone who has grown up in the US and been here for most of his life.
     
  17. Jon Martin

    Jon Martin Member+

    Apr 25, 2000
    SE Mass
    Completely agree.
     
  18. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, but a lot of countries weigh more heavily the origin of the parents and grandparents. For example, Germany brought in a lot of Turkish "guest workers" starting in the late '60s. Today, Turks are the largest single ethinic group in Germany. I had to laugh when a German once complained to me that the Turks in Germany support the Turkish national team, not Germany. So these people have been here many years, settled down and had children, who were born in Germany. These children are Turkish citizens, not German. In the US, they'd be US citizens if they were born here. Meanwhile, these kids were born and raised in Germany, speak German, may only know Turkish and Turkey through what their parents pass on, and generally are as "German" as any guy named Hans or Klaus-Dieter. But theorhetically, they could get deported "back" to a country they never knew.

    In the case of the players, usually the American is elligible because one parent is a US citizen, so no matter where the kid was born, he counts. In Diego's case, he wasn't born here, so that muddies the situation, even if he has lived almost his whole life here.
     
  19. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    The system just values citizenship over residency - a permanent status over a temporary one.

    What is wacky, IMO, is an immigration system that leaves people afraid to apply for residency/citizenship.
     
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  20. goussoccer

    goussoccer Member+

    May 23, 2001
    Avon, CT
    This rule must not be enforced very much -- we have several players on our USMNT that have probably NEVER lived continuously on the territory of the relevant Association: we have a couple of 'Germany' territory folks in particular..
     
  21. bwidell

    bwidell Member+

    Apr 19, 2005
    Manchester, NH
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That rule only applies for plays who acquire new citizenship. The current crop of German-Americans have all been American citizens from birth.
     
  22. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What is the MLS record for most goals by a teenager in a single season?
     
  23. LongDuckDong

    LongDuckDong Member+

    Jan 26, 2011
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    13 - by Diego Fagundez
     
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  24. rkupp

    rkupp Member+

    Jan 3, 2001
    Plus he's also got the record for most MLS goals during teenage years - with a full year to extend it further.
     
  25. RevsLiverpool

    RevsLiverpool Member+

    Nov 12, 2005
    Boston
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    More than Freddy Adu or Convey or JackMac? Wow - that surprises me but full credit to Diego.
     

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