chicken pot pies for two on tv trays in Arizona while he and Cindy watch Obama being sworn in on the 40th anniversary of "I have a dream today . . ."
Like the great majority of Americans, I did myself the favor of spending the day with my family and not watching a single second of coverage of the meeting. Just jumping on now to see the results. Sweet. On to Denver. Oh, btw, did you see that Obama is giving a speech Tuesday night at a rally in the arena where the RNC will be? A nice ballsy move.
You clowns could have done this "compromise" months ago. Oh, but it's all about punishment, isn't it? Yeah, that's the kind of change we need.
Actually, the clowns to whom you're typing have pretty much no say in what the various powers-that-be in DNC choose to do. If this was all about punishment, none of the delegates would have been seated. So what this was, was all about compromise. Which is, I believe, the kind of change we need. That said, yesterday was really a circus.
OK, super genius. How would you, who is so obviously all seeing and all knowing, have handled this? Florida and Michigan were warned that if they moved their primaries up, they would be punished. They were told that they would not be seated. They weren't warned, sotto voce, in a backroom at midnight. They weren't warned only once. They were warned several times in public and at no time was anyone with even a passing interest in politics unaware of the consequences. Despite these very clear and explicit warnings, they chose to disregard the DNC's stance. They chose to take them on. They chose to challenge its authority. They chose to play chicken. So when Florida and Michigan decided to hold their primaries when they did, they knew full well the consequences of their actions. So they did what they did and the DNC did what they said they would do for a breach of rules. Go ahead now, stun us with your insight.
OK....let's say we have a baby named Michigan Florida. Let's say said baby has two parents: Obama and Hillary.
The Dems should have done it the way the Republicans did. Make the exact same decision about 50% representation ages ago and it would not be the PBP issue being discussing now where it will certainly be an issue in the campaign. So you are more concerned that the DNC is regarded by party members as an authority figure not to be challenged than you are with how this may play out in the fall. How interesting. You are like a lawyer -- only interested in the "law," not justice. F**k how real people feel or are affected. But this is an election -- not a courtroom. For your information, Democrats in Florida and Michigan went to the polls believing that their voice mattered. Thanks for setting them straight. Some Democrats are only 50% of others -- especially if they voted the wrong way.
Absolute fucking bullshit. Hillary Clinton, October 2007: "It is clear this election (Michigan) they're having is not going to count for anything." I can find a many other quotes along the same lines by all the candidates and voters in both states before the primaries. Certainly there were many exit interviews conducted in both Florida and Michigan which I saw/read where the voters said plainly and clearly that they knew that their votes would not be counted. Also there were a huge number of voters who didn't go to the polls precisely because they knew/were told that the primary results would not stand. (Here's someone on this very thread proving that point.) The decision not to seat the Florida and Michigan delegations was not a secret as you'd so like to believe; there was no campaigning in Michigan and minimal in Florida. I 'm guessing the voters there probably noticed the absence of the candidates and advertising? When Florida and Michigan went to the polls, there was pretty much the entire slate of candidates still in the race, from Obama and Clinton through Edwards and Richardson all the way down to Kucinich and Gravel. And not one of them campaigned or advertised to any extent in Florida or Michigan. And yet you have the balls to claim that those who voted went to polls believing their votes mattered? Crock of shit. The Florida and Michigan Democratic parties knew the score exactly when they moved their primaries up. They were warned many, many times, in public, loudly and explicitly what would happen. And they chose to play chicken. And they lost. This was no shady backroom deal. They knew, they went ahead, they paid the price. If you want to play on these boards, at least have a passing acquaintance with the facts.
Bull. HRC would have still been pushing to fully seat the delegates. This is about HRC, not about the voters in those states. And as Samarkand pointed out, everybody knew those two primaries were exercises in futility when they happened. I bet there are a lot of people who stayed home precisely because they knew their votes didn't matter who are pissed as hell about this now. After all, turnout in those two primaries were well behind normal levels, while most other Democratic primaries were recordsetting turnouts.
As Foos points out, it's quite possible that in that case, Hillary would have been trying to seat the whole delegation. I'll grant you that it would have been a less compelling argument than the one she had (which wasn't too compelling to begin with.) This is so untrue that's it's borderline trolling.
But "justice" is getting the delegates seated. The fact that they even came to a compromise is as close to "justice" as it could get. If it were really all about the law, then no one one would've been awarded delegates because both states violated rules that were obviously clear to them. Clinton knew this and Obama knew this.
Apaarently Lanny Davis had a bit of a hissy yesterday - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/31/lanny-davis-loses-his-coo_n_104474.html Eww, Lanny spittle...
When Al Gore gets the most votes, some people think he should have been prez. When HRC gets the most votes, these same people think she shouldn't be the nom. Makes sense...
Popular vote as a metric in a Democratic primary doesn't exist. A fully accurate total including all 57(?I think) contests is not kept. All anyone on any side is quoting is an "estimate", and thus not useful for any type of determination. The only legal metric that is tracked is delegates, of the super, and non-super kind.
The reason the popular vote became a rallying cry for Gore was because it was believed (for good reason) that Gore would have won Florida had all the votes been counted in that state. In other words, the sense was that Gore had, in reality, rightfully won both the popular vote and the electoral college tally. There's really nothing comparable to that in this primary.
facts have a well-known liberal bias. (republicans:facts) is like (vampires:garlic,crosses & sunlight). FACT!