DC United vs NYCFC

Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by Winoman, Apr 14, 2021.

  1. John L

    John L Member+

    Sep 20, 2003
    Alexandria, VA
    One Forward against four Defenders isn't going to do much unless midfielders and press up high. Sorga had some runs into the box with the ball the pressed their defense that opened up Hines-Ike's goal. That's what Forwards are supposed to do, either score or open things up and provide assists for others. That's what he did.
     
  2. Eastern Bear

    Eastern Bear Member+

    Feb 27, 1999
    Great Falls, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Shawn is right. The two goals were lucky. I like this style of high press because the entire team is involved. We did a great job of getting interceptions and clogging passing lanes. Can we sustain this in summer? That’s why fitness is paramount. We have a long way to go, but we were more dangerous in our paltry 37% top.
     
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  3. Aconti2

    Aconti2 Member

    Apr 10, 2011
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow what a fun night!

    We started so shakey and disjointed. I'm not sure how it showed on TV but a lot of the players looked a little nervous and our spacing and passing all seemed a bit off.

    You could see the players trying tons of practiced movements that either weren't executed well or a player wasn't making a run that the other expected. Once these start to click we are going to see some great stuff.

    The biggest difference as people have noted is just the fact that we take shots now. Funny how shooting more might create some goals.

    Roberta looked like a smart player and I think he will be a great asset. Najar in his few touches looked really sharp and obviously Hines Ike was a step above last night.

    Thanks again to section 107 for selling those tickets my wife and I had a blast. It was so great to watch some live soccer again.
     
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  4. Bluesfan

    Bluesfan Member+

    DC United
    Aug 12, 2000
    Tampa
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    It was a ROUGH start during the first twenty minutes. Once they settled in the high press started yielding the results. Was the win pretty? The passing was poor and possession lacking, but the shots, pressure, and the goals were things of beauty.

    This system will be messy, but it allows a chance in any match. We know it will crash and burn occasionally, but I'm down for the wild ride
     
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  5. Aconti2

    Aconti2 Member

    Apr 10, 2011
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After NY had to chase the game for a bit it was clear they weren't able to get through our press which resulted in a pretty calm time up until we got tired around the 80th minute.
     
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  6. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unlike a couple of posters here I didn't think Sorga looked slow. I actually thought Robertha looked slow.
     
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  7. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    it’s exactly the same kind of goals that Seattle and others got on the first day of matches, no difference. Nobody expects teams to be coherent day one under a new coach which is why winning those games is so valuable- it isn’t expected.
     
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  8. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    #108 shammypants, Apr 18, 2021
    Last edited: Apr 18, 2021
    Some people seem to forget that MLS has regressed as it expanded. Teams on average are worse than years ago, for many reasons. If the expectation is we need to be significantly more competent to win the cup, I’ll point you to the Columbus shitters 2020. Only 2-3 teams come off as competent each year relatively speaking, 4 in rare cases, so it’s not some amazing bar we have to reach for general success.
     
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  9. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You’re totally wrong about the quality level of MLS teams. I’ve been watching MLS since 2005. Most of the guys who were starters back then would be lucky to make the bench these days. And bench players from back then would be playing in USL now.

    The quality level of MLS play has consistently gotten better over the years.
     
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  10. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    If you're going to go way back in time sure, of course the league was mediocre back in the 90s and early 2000s, but from say 2010 to 2021, the level of play is not much different, despite a lot more money being thrown at it, and so many new teams have been added that some are just straight awful each season.
     
  11. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, some teams have to be awful every year. That’s true in every league in every sport in the world.

    if you compare the resumes of the players in MLS now versus 10 years ago, there’s a noted improvement. That was inevitable as the league started making more money, and being able to sign better players.
     
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  12. Hedbal

    Hedbal Member+

    Jul 31, 2000
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As I mentioned in another thread, Lucho Acosta scored for Cincinnati.
     
  13. JayRockers!

    JayRockers! Member+

    Aug 4, 2001
    Maybe it should stay in another thread. #GoneAndAllButForgotten
     
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  14. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    I didn’t say there were many shots. I was just surprised at seemingly outshooting an opponent.
     
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  15. shammypants

    shammypants Member+

    Oct 9, 2013
    Club:
    DC United
    And they drew against Nashville
     
  16. shawn12011

    shawn12011 Member+

    Jun 15, 2001
    Reisterstown, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    I go back to 1996 so the average player back then would not even get brought in as a trailist.
     
  17. Bluesfan

    Bluesfan Member+

    DC United
    Aug 12, 2000
    Tampa
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    I agree. Sorga didn't get great service. He was working the corners, running down loose balls and pressuring the keeper. I will take him over Kamara any day. I think he will get better too.

    Robertha looked like a guy who just met his teammates....which he did. Once again his best performance is ahead
     
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  18. marks7mb

    marks7mb Member

    Jan 29, 2006
    Club:
    DC United
    I thought they said Robertha was out of shape? That would explain the slow.
     
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  19. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree. I have watched MLS since day one back in 96 and the league is way stronger today than back then. In the last 5+ years, it's been DC that has lagged many other much stronger teams.

    The assertion that MLS has regressed does not match the profound change in teams, especially over the last 10 years. Simply because MLS has expanded does not mean there are not many very good players throughout the world that MLS can bring into the league (Fifa notes over 2,000 teams spread over 120 division 1 professional Leagues).

    Second, MLS has significantly increased its budget for players as well as added categories like Designated Player, Targeted Allocation Player, Young DP, and Generation Addidas players that allow player spend far above the Cap of around $5,000,000 per team. Toronto FC for example has spent well over 20 Million in salary per year.

    Third, the number of Homegrown players coming out of the MLS academy system is exploding with significant numbers of players who are able to progress to the first team. The products of these academies are commanding ever-increasing monies in transfer fees to teams in Europe. The numbers of US players both in the league and those who have transferred to Europe are much much better than the college players back in the early days of MLS.
     
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  20. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hines-Ike and Canouse make the TOTW.
     
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  21. Section 107

    Section 107 Member+

    DCU
    United States
    Jul 18, 2018
    glad it worked out all around - win win win! :)
     
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  22. fatbastard

    fatbastard Member+

    Aug 1, 2003
    Lincoln (ish), Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I figured Canouse would be traded when I broke down and bought an actual player jersey (this has been a recurring theme; buy jersey, player has career-ending injury or jets off to Europe, or worse another MLS side) a couple years ago.

    He's still here, which I like - but the ********er went and changed his number from 4 to 6 :cautious:
     
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  23. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    So, he outsmarted you -- one way to beat the @fatbastard curse:)
     
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  24. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought that was really odd also. I first thought they did not have fans on that side of the stadium as part of the reduced capacity. I then noticed that during halftime and from other camera angles the tifos were gone and there were people sitting in the stands on that side.
     
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  25. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously, I happy with the win. But as I'm sure others will point out is this sustainable.

    The two goals were fabulous but I can't see United providing goal of the month candidates each week with very low Expected Goal percentages.

    The goals were scored by a center-back and a defensive midfielder. Wonderful efforts but where were the other midfielders, wings, and forwards?

    The possession was 38% for the game. Ok, I get that Losada's style may not lend itself to dominant possession stats but there is danger in ceding so much possession. Some teams will tear you apart if they have that much time with the ball.

    Another concern is how long can the team maintain such a high tempo. Do we have a strategy for surviving or adapting to the later parts of the game when the high press drops off?

    The other big concern is the lack of speed up front. For a team that wants to play direct and vertical, this seems a real problem.

    Of course, not everything was bad. Far from it. It was so great to see our new center-back play at a MOTM level. If he continues in the same vein we could end up with some great depth at center-back. As my other team, Man City has shown, you can solve a lot of problems with your team if you have the right center-backs.

    I also loved the direct play. It was obvious that United went after NYCFC immediately once possession was won. That was a breath of fresh air compared to the pointless lateral and back passing with Olsen's teams.
     
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