Das Reboot and the Road to UEFA Nations League & EC2020

Dr Faust · Nov 18, 2020

BorisG said: ↑

accept if he takes on a dual roles for a year to temporarily train the NT for the Euros.
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He already laughed at that suggestion during a recent press conference.

The Jitty Slitter · Nov 18, 2020

BVBFNM said: ↑

He already won the World Cup as assistant coach, and thanks to the massive rep boost he earned by winning the treble, I think Flick would rather focus on his club career. Besides, taking over the NT would be a sort of been there done that scenario.
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Yeah - why would Flick want to take a lesser job?

saj7866 · Nov 18, 2020

Our defence is rubbish, but I would say it's down to the lack of chemistry, loew has tried different combos different formations and clearly this has led to lack of confidence in the defence.

As for the midfield where in general where the game is won or lost , our 2 most experienced midfielders are clearly not up to it.

White/Blue_since1860 · Nov 18, 2020

White/Blue_since1860 said: ↑

Löw somehow used the word "somehow" 11 times in his somehow answers. My favorite one somehow is that the players "somehow started running somewhere around".

„Die ist jetzt im Moment schwierig zu erklären, weil es war irgendwie von uns ein rabenschwarzer Tag, wo wir gesehen haben, dass aber auch gar nichts funktioniert hat. Körpersprache, Körperspannung, Zweikampfverhalten hatten wir eigentlich nicht heute auf dem Platz gesehen. Wir wollten schon mutig sein und nach vorne spielen, aber es hat heute nichts funktioniert, weder unsere Defensive noch unsere Offensive. Ich denke, da kann man niemanden ausnehmen.

Nach dem 1:0 haben wir irgendwie unser ganzes Konzept irgendwie auf dem Platz aufgegeben. Wir sind dann plötzlich irgendwie rausgestürzt, haben Räume geöffnet und haben dann gesehen, dass die Spanier dann auch fußballerisch so gut sind, dass sie das eben auch ausspielen können. Wir haben irgendwie das Konzept verlassen und sind dann irgendwie irgendwo rumgelaufen, keine Organisation, keine Nähe zum eigenen Mitspieler, keine Kommunikation. Also wir haben irgendwie die Organisation nach dem 1:0 aufgegeben und das war heute irgendwie tödlich.

Wir haben vorher irgendwie die Dinge auch klar besprochen, was wir wollen und was wir nicht wollen. Und von daher war es dann eben mal so, wenn man mal auf dem Platz steht und weiß, dass man plötzlich zwei, drei Null hinten ist, dann ist es natürlich schwierig, ins Spiel zurückzufinden. Dann hat man gegen Spanien eigentlich keine Chance mehr. Wir sind eigentlich hinter den Aktionen her gelaufen. Wir haben dann in der Halbzeit versucht, irgendwie Mann gegen Mann zu spielen, sie früher anzulaufen und zu pressen und möglichst noch ein Tor zu erzielen und wieder ranzukommen. Aber auch da waren die Spanier ganz einfach auch schneller, spielstärker, dynamischer. Wir haben keinen Zugriff gehabt, keine Zweikämpfe gewonnen und so gesehen muss man sagen, dass heute eigentlich nichts funktioniert hat.
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"Die Grenzen meiner Sprache bedeuten die Grenzen meiner Welt." (Ludwig Wittgenstein) pic.twitter.com/qkJzccQAhH
— Wayne Schlegel (@WayneSchlegel_) November 18, 2020

Blueberry_night · Nov 18, 2020

It's almost already 12 hour from the final whistle. I haven't read ANY FU3KING NEWS about Loew resignation or fired by DFB. Am I missing anything? Or we just chalked up this loss as misfortune and we continue with this clown until... I don't know 2030???

Blueberry_night · Nov 18, 2020

feyenoordsoccerfan said: ↑

Why are you lot so up in arms about a loss?
These weird score lines are common now in the covid period.
Nobody (I think) was calling for Klopp being booted from Liverpool after they were trashed.
Just look at the highest scores in the months since football started again after the lockdown of the competitions.
You see alot of unexpected ones. This is just one of the bunch and will not be the last one until we have a normal setting without covid for football.
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Did you even bothered to check the stat? Numbers of goal attempt between both teams? This is NOT Aston Villa - Liverpool case. With better finishing Spain could scored another 3-4 goals.

White/Blue_since1860 · Nov 18, 2020

current fan mood

Der 17. November 2020 wird auch der Tag sein, an dem man Manuel Neuer lauthals "FICKEN" nach dem 4. Gegentor schreien hörte.#ESPGER #NationsLeague pic.twitter.com/Stf6KzlxCI
— Benny Illinger (@IamIllgner) November 18, 2020

White/Blue_since1860 · Nov 18, 2020

Blueberry_night said: ↑

It's almost already 12 hour from the final whistle. I haven't read ANY FU3KING NEWS about Loew resignation or fired by DFB. Am I missing anything? Or we just chalked up this loss as misfortune and we continue with this clown until... I don't know 2030???
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The news are full of this debacle. Bild, Zeit and ZDF from what Ive seen so far are also calling for him to resign.

edit:

"Wenn eine Mannschaft so viel Leblosigkeit ausstrahlt, hat der Trainer die Verantwortung." Der ganze Kommentar von Béla Réthy zum 0:6 des @DFB_Team gegen Spanien 👉 https://t.co/oa5sENX0C4 #ESPGER #ESPALL pic.twitter.com/izXshaSkQ6
— ZDF sportstudio (@sportstudio) November 18, 2020

White/Blue_since1860 · Nov 18, 2020

A few others Ive seen just report on the current situation not saying that Löw needs to be relieved directly but that if DFB decides to keep Löw, the coach will have to coach against the nation of fans who want him out asap and thats an unsustainable solution.

Blueberry_night · Nov 18, 2020

Fantastic. Thanks White/Blue1860!

At least I know majority of German media and NT fans still sane. Let see how long DFB will try to defend Loew.

Blueberry_night · Nov 18, 2020

I just want to add up 1 thing. Asking him to resign is like asking Trump to concede and admit the loss. No way in hell Loew will resign voluntarily.

He already been too long in this position and his hubris won't allow it, the very same hubris that throw Muller, Hummels and Boateng hung to dry.

That's why its never a good thing to have someone in a position for far too long. Alex Ferguson has lots of success, see what happened to MU after he resigned.

DFB and DFB only that can turn off the switch.

Icke · Nov 18, 2020

https://m.bild.de/video/clip/sport-...-ruecktritt-anbieten-74004428.bildMobile.html

BLÖD chief sports guy wants Jogi to go by himself. Wants Flick in a double position as Bayern and NT coach,unrealistic

The Jitty Slitter · Nov 18, 2020

saj7866 said: ↑

Our defence is rubbish, but I would say it's down to the lack of chemistry, loew has tried different combos different formations and clearly this has led to lack of confidence in the defence.

As for the midfield where in general where the game is won or lost , our 2 most experienced midfielders are clearly not up to it.
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I don't really understand the idea of putting Dawg and Kroos together. Better to drop Kroos and bring in a more defensively mobile 6 and let Dawg do the carries and disty

White/Blue_since1860 · Nov 18, 2020

If I was the new NT coach, Kroos would be the first guy Id kick from the team and get Müller and Hummels back. Those are team players and leaders -even when Hummels has become slow as hell.

And Draxler would be the second who I'd tell he will never play for the NT again

The Jitty Slitter · Nov 18, 2020

White/Blue_since1860 said: ↑

If I was the new NT coach, Kroos would be the first guy Id kick from the team and get Müller and Hummels back. Those are team players and leaders -even when Hummels has become slow as hell.

And Draxler would be the second who I'd tell he will never play for the NT again
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You might as well play the Bayern spine as the easiest way to build a coherent tactical system

ShadowX · Nov 18, 2020

dips82 said: ↑

Translation please
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Just copy and paste to a 'german to english' translator on google.

ShadowX · Nov 18, 2020

BorisG said: ↑

Shuee..... Well i guess this is what we all wanted was for Loew to get the hiding of his life. But I must say this one hurts as we can clearly see we have lost all the things that made out the German NT , the never give up attitude , fight till the end and work ethics.

What I see is that There are no clear leaders on the field, players who are vocal , experienced players who can motivate and get the team to fight and change their attitudes even when trailing 3-0.

Kroos and Gundo who are the old foxes are not vocal at all. And neuer minimal.
The young generation is not vocal at all, maybe kimmich and that's about it. Werner said in a earlier interview maybe they will still learn how to shout at each other.

yesterday it was also mentioned that one could only hear the Spanish on the field , and only once neuer shouted.

What Loew did was he took out the three players Muller, Matts and Boa
They are vocal, they have experience , they shout and motivate. Loew should have not just kicked them off the team, but should have made it clear that they will be phased out , but needs them to adpat to their new roles which should have been to guide the young players into leading roles and teach them what it means to take charge on the field and fight fight fight., if Loew made it clear that they would possibly not be starters anymore but rather use them as a 2 year transition period for the youngsters, I am sure they would have agreed.

The current squad has been turned into total minions that have no opinion and just do as they are told , by ruler loew. This is not what our NT stands for. In all the years we always had strong minded players ,what Loew has created here are just quiet, followers - not leaders, players that can take the game on themselves and will drag everyone along.

This is the biggest issue - Loew ripped out the Heart of the team and we are not Lions anymore but just a bunch of softies.

"Die Manschaft " has no balls - Loew castrated the team.

This is a disaster - it is the worst display of what our team stands for ever. This was a pathetic display - Loew has not just destroyed the players confidence, but he has DESTROYED THE IMAGE OF GERMANY , and what it is really stands for.

Who ever is in charge - also has no balls, as in every other contrary the coach would have been fired.

I am lost for any other positive words - This is absolutely not acceptable.
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Somebody needs to print multiple copies of this and staple it directly to Low, Bierhoff, and all the members of the DFB.

The Jitty Slitter · Nov 18, 2020

dips82 said: ↑

Translation please
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Baseless speculation that Flick will replace Loew

What's happening behind the scenes at DFB

Neuer allegedly thinks Mueller, Boateng and Hummels can help the team

ShadowX · Nov 18, 2020

Ger90 said: ↑

Will Löw continue until the Euros?

Bierhoff: "Absolutely, yes. This game changes nothing. We still trust Joachim Löw, no doubt about that"
— Bayern & Germany (@iMiaSanMia) November 17, 2020

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Guys I'm sorry but this is a lost cause.

There is absolutely no point in becoming emotionally invested in this team. It's too frustrating. I will always support Germany but lost causes are lost causes. Until Low is gone and other major changes are made there is no point in continuing this.

1: Knocked out of the group stage in a WC.
2: Relegated in the inaugural Nations League.
3: And now the biggest competitive defeat in German history!

And they still trust him?!?!?

Wow!
WTF!!!

Time to focus on other things.

I'll pop in from time to time.

Blueberry_night · Nov 18, 2020

If I am Flick, I won't accept double job unless a gun pointed to my head.

White/Blue_since1860 · Nov 18, 2020

Good god.... Löw stays. Well, we didnt expect any different

BorisG · Nov 18, 2020

https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/sport...ung-ueber-zukunft-gefallen-74010034.bild.html
mhhhh Bild says after crisis meeting Loews future has been decided - but cant read article as its Bild Plus - i am sure he can stay and last warning and maybe bring back muller and co..... mhhhh

Alex C · Nov 18, 2020

King Otto would sort this team out. No more pathetic defending.

White/Blue_since1860 · Nov 18, 2020

BorisG said: ↑

https://www.bild.de/bild-plus/sport...ung-ueber-zukunft-gefallen-74010034.bild.html
mhhhh Bild says after crisis meeting Loews future has been decided - but cant read article as its Bild Plus - i am sure he can stay and last warning and maybe bring back muller and co..... mhhhh
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Update #Löw: Nach unseren Infos spricht alles dafür, dass es mit dem Bundestrainer weitergeht. Eine Entlassung ist kein Thema. Bierhoff (besitzt für den Präsidialausschuss ein Vorschlagsrecht) und Keller (Vorsteher des Präsidiums) sind pro Löw. @SPORT1
— Florian Plettenberg (@Plettigoal) November 18, 2020

Bierhoff and Keller are pro Löw. Of course, they would not say that in front of a camera

Alex C · Nov 18, 2020

The good thing is the Euro group games will be held at the Allianz Arena, by which point hopefully with a vaccine available tickets will go on sale. A great chance to embarrass the DFB on an international level either with a half empty stadium and/or with protests.