cristiano Ronaldo's dribbling ability

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by carlito86, Jul 30, 2016.

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Do you think cristiano ronaldo was a legendary dribbler from 2007-2010

  1. Yes I agree he was

    12 vote(s)
    20.0%
  2. I think he was a fantastic dribbler but not legendary

    35 vote(s)
    58.3%
  3. I think he was barely average and extremely overrated

    14 vote(s)
    23.3%
  4. He couldn't dribble to save his own life

    2 vote(s)
    3.3%
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  1. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #451 carlito86, Sep 14, 2021
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2021
    Owing to his extraordinary ability and longevity Cristiano Ronaldo is very arguably one of the few players in history to have completed 2000 dribbles in official club matches


    League+ champions league

    2003/04 to 2020/21

    1609 dribbles completed
    62560 minutes played
    695~ matches played


    2.31 dribbles completed per 90




    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/5583/History/Cristiano-Ronaldo


    This data doesnt include
    international matches for his NT
    Fa cup matches
    Coppa Italia matches
    Copa del rey matches
    Domestic cup matches
    Continental cup matches
    Nor does it include time spent in the Portuguese primera division
    400~ matches missing

     
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  2. gasipo

    gasipo New Member

    Juventus
    Canada
    Jun 8, 2021
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  3. Forzza

    Forzza New Member

    Manchester United
    France
    Oct 22, 2021
    Does anyone know if it's possible to find the statistics of dribbling of prime R9 or prime Ronaldinho ?

    It would be interesting to make a comparaison with CR7 dribbling stats..

    From Whoscored ,Ronaldinho has completed only 1.4 dribble overall from 2010 to 2015 seasons .

    So I 'm almost sure the dribbling ability of the two brazilians are a little bit overrated ...
     
  4. Forzza

    Forzza New Member

    Manchester United
    France
    Oct 22, 2021

    @carlito86 good job .

    Do you have messi overall dribbling stats from 2003 to 2009 seasons ?

    I saw a graph that said he has completed 7 to 8 dribble per game from all competitions on certain seasons but for me it seems fake .​
     
  5. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    If you compare his almost static Ronaldinho's version at Milan with his version of PSG and Barcelona, the difference is like black/white.

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    5 dribbles completed and 14 progressive ball carries are possible acc Statsbomb methodology, specially when he was a more serial dribbler in his first season.

    Acc to Statsbomb these numbers percentile 99 in progressive carries and dribbles completed: https://fbref.com/en/players/69384e5d/Neymar
    The difference is that he was more accurate in his dribbling than Neymar for example.

    Alongside it, Ronaldinho was also a great ball progressor via passing and playmaking, making him a tier 1 ball progressor in his peak Ronaldinho.

    R9 he dribbled more for Inter and Barcelona than in the Brazilian NT, I counted something around ~4.5 as average in the matches I watched (against top opponents), many of them ending in a shot and in the center of the pitch, that's percentile 99-100 for a striker. He won a lot, a lot of fouls too. Arguably one of the most dangerous dribblers of all time (alongside maybe Pelé and Messi) as he had that level of gravity when start running. Not comparable era too. They many times had to foul him almost every possession.

    So no idea how the Brazilians were overrated in terms of dribbling.

    Btw, another novice member with very specifics questions and affirmations. :whistling::whistling::whistling:
     
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  6. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Statistics doesn’t say much here. Simple eye test proves that Ronaldo 9 and Ronaldinho were much superior dribblers compared to CR7’s unnatural dribbling.
     
  7. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Unnatural dribbling:ROFLMAO:

    None of the fundamentals of technique are inherent
    You aren't born a natural goalscorer,defender or playmaker

    The skills of ones like Neymar and Ronaldinho were honed playing futsal before they were even professional footballers
     
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  8. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #458 carlito86, Oct 22, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2021
    18 to 25 years old


    Euro 2004
    15 dribbles completed in 420 minutes
    3.4 dribbles completed per 90

    World cup 2006
    18 dribbles completed in 484 minutes
    3.35 dribbles completed per 90


    Champions league 2003-2009
    189 dribbles completed 4529 minutes
    4 dribbles completed per 90


    Premier league 2003-2009
    506 dribbles completed 14541 minutes
    3.13 dribbles completed per 90



    La liga 2009/10
    133 dribbles completed in 2465 minutes
    4.87 dribbles completed per 90




    861 dribbles completed in 22439 minutes(249~ matches)

    3.46 dribbles completed per 90





    If including FA cup/league cup and international qualifiers/friendlies between 2003-2010 it is extremely probable that Cristiano dribbled passed 1000 players by the time he was 25 years old

    Any suggestions that is anything less then stupendous is something not even worthy of a response

    He unnaturally dribbled passed 1000~ players by his 25th birthday
     
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  9. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #459 carlito86, Oct 25, 2021
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2021
    @Tropeiro

    Arjen robben
    Bayern Munich
    2009/10 to 2018/19
    Bundesliga and champions league
    703 dribbles completed
    19082 minutes played(212~ matches)
    3.31 dribbles completed per 90

    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/4173/History/Arjen-Robben





    Cristiano Ronaldo
    Manchester United
    2003/04 to 2008/09
    Premier league and champions league
    695 dribbles completed
    18818 minutes(209~matches)
    3.32 dribbles completed per 90



    https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/cri...n=&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=&pos=&trainer_id=
     
  10. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The Art of dribbling

    Cristiano Ronaldo Vs Eden hazard
    18 to 25 years old




    Eden hazard
    2009/10 to 2015/16
    Ligue 1
    Premier league
    Champions league

    872 dribbles completed in 22931 minutes(255~ matches)
    3.42 dribbles completed per 90

    https://www.whoscored.com/Players/33404/History/Eden-Hazard#player-tournament-stats-detailed


    Cristiano Ronaldo
    2003/04 to 2009/10
    Premier league
    La liga
    Champions league

    840 dribbles completed in 21733 minutes(241~ matches)
    3.48 dribbles completed per 90
     
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  11. Legolas10

    Legolas10 Member

    Real Madrid
    Jun 5, 2020
    Eden Hazard doesn't seem to be a high volume Dribbler in his Lille years.

    Why did you chose 2009/10 to 2015/16 period for him and left out 2016/17 and 2017/18 where he completed 4.3 and 6.1 dribbles per 90 min?


    Also it seems his dribble numbers at Lille were never that high
    His dribbling numbers started to increase from 2013/14 it seems
    (per 90min) in Premier League:-

    13/14: 4.1
    14/15: 4.8
    15/16: 3.7
    16/17: 4.3

    17/18: 6.1
    18/19: 4.2


    Now please reply with good arguments without resorting to insults and aggression like you've done in other threads .

    Also why do you think his dribbling numbers were low at Lille in France?




    Btw, i agree with you on the first few lines. One style might look more aesthetic , one more rough , but effectiveness might be same , and ultimately in football that matters. I have seen him making stupid and hypocrital remarks like this in other threads like Pele vs Messi thread , where he resorted to downplaying era , farmers etc nonsense like casuals
     
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  12. Legolas10

    Legolas10 Member

    Real Madrid
    Jun 5, 2020
    Also, one thing . How do you rate Garrincha's Dribbling ? From the footages of him available from World Cups , he seems to dribble a lot . Around 12-13 dribbles per game on average . So by this dribble count criteria he seems to be undisputed goat dribbler
    However i have also seen lot of people mocking and trolling him and dismiss him due to those footages and dribbling
     
  13. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #463 carlito86, Nov 1, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2021
    @Tropeiro

    4:22

    'Rare' footage from the 2003 Toulon under 21 championship
     
  14. gasipo

    gasipo New Member

    Juventus
    Canada
    Jun 8, 2021
    Hey @carlito86

    A few months ago, I questioned you about the best dribbling games of Ronaldo from his early United day to make a map on it, you were very useful. Now, I want to go even deeper and make a map of his time at Sporting Portugal in the 2002/03 season, so I wanted to know if you had some knowledge about that season from him and could help me to find his best dribbling performance from it.

    Thank you
     
  15. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #465 carlito86, Jun 22, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2022
    Officially
    His first full 90 minutes



    His first goal was a solo goal from the half way line and the second a header
    It could've been 4 goals but for good goalkeeping(he had another attempted solo goal and a low volley saved)


    He also played various fairly good attempted crosses

    Non officially
    For pure dribbling it would clearly IMO be his 2003 pre season match against Manchester United
    As a purist you'd probably prefer this
    Unlike the previous match comp this is 15 minutes long and has all his touches

    He was hhe best player on the pitch without recording a single goal or assist
    Just days after this Cristiano would be announced as a Manchester United player and as they say the rest is history.
     
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  16. gasipo

    gasipo New Member

    Juventus
    Canada
    Jun 8, 2021
    Perfect ! Thank you
     
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  17. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #468 carlito86, Jun 28, 2022
    Last edited: Jun 28, 2022
    6 successful dribbles/18 progressive carries vs Manchester United is superb for a 18 year old

    I think a goal of any sort would've made this a top 50 performance in his career
    Arguably top 20 if it was a competitive match(in the UCL for example)

    One match that you should analyse for progressive carries is the famous one vs Benfica away



    This is the full match with all his touches
     
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  18. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Not sure about "only 1 match with 8+ dribbles by Cristiano Ronaldo in the UCL:

    These are also confirmed
    8 successful dribbles vs Chelsea in the 2008 UCL final


    8 succesful dribbles vs Roma in the 2007 CL quarter final
    https://www.mykhel.com/football/cri...-break-man-utd-7-1-win-remembered-165745.html


    14 successful dribbles in the CL vs Benfica 2006/07


    For certain even with the most conservative calculations he also he had 8+ dribbles

    Vs Benfica 2005/06(home)

    2 successful dribbles at 1:59
    2 successful dribbles at 2:34
    1 successful dribble at 3:50
    1 succesful dribble at 4:46
    1 successful dribble at 4:53
    1 succesful dribble at 5:40
    2 succesful dribbles at 6:03

    Vs Lyon 2004/05


    You can compare this vs Lyon to some dejan savecevic performances for Crvena zvezda and there is literally no difference from a technical standpoint


    Laszlo Bölöni the first coach in his career breaks this down then i ever could

    "I decided that he wasn't going to play in the youth teams again. In the dressing room he was a joker, but on the pitch he was exceptional. He had a maturity that wasn't normal for a 16-17 year old".

    . "I thought about putting him on the right-wing because he was young and light, about 60 kilos, and it was going to be very difficult for him to hold it up and measure himself against 100-kilo centre-halves. On the wing, with speed and fantastic dribbling, he was going to be much more efficient," he said.

    For him, the most important thing was to dribble. He couldn't play without dribbling. My task was to tell him that one dribble was fine, two too... but five was too many. I explained to him where dribbling was most useful and his intelligence did the rest".

    I already said that he was going to beat Figo and Eusebio and those words cost me problems,
    "He will always be my boy".

    https://www.besoccer.com/new/for-ro...n-t-know-how-to-play-without-dribbling-826865


    The evolution of Cristiano Ronaldo across his career is honestly something spectacular
     
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  19. oscarhmx

    oscarhmx New Member

    Real Madrid
    Colombia
    Sep 19, 2021
    @carlito86
    Carlito, what is your twitter?

    Cr7 > R9? Who of the two has better prime?

    I thank you for answering me.
     
  20. Trachta10

    Trachta10 Member+

    Apr 25, 2016
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    With the data presented here
    I made a table, with opta dribbles, totals and cumulative, season by season

    Cristiano Ronaldo
    [​IMG]

    Lionel Messi
    [​IMG]
     
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  21. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Great effort :thumbsup:
     
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  22. aidin

    aidin New Member

    united
    Brazil
    Oct 5, 2022
    Ronaldo is the first player that s in laliga+primer league+Ucl+world cup+Euro had a top 3 player that's complete most dribbles
     
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  23. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    When was he top 3 in a World cup? 2006 maybe?
     
  24. aidin

    aidin New Member

    united
    Brazil
    Oct 5, 2022
    yes
    with 18 complete dribbles that's is most in tourments
     

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