Cristiano Ronaldo ~ Your Favorite Player Is So Much Better!! Thread

If maradona and messi were out of your top 3 as this would insinuate, maradona having only WC 86 to truly substantiate his greatness, and messi not having any WC campaign to truly substantiate his. I would love to know your top 3 before 2022.

It was 4 assist a while ago till I fully brought context into view, now it's 3.

Anybody who uses messi's 2 useless assists against France in a debate is asking for trouble...they meant absolutely nothing!

 

Tbh my parameters can always change months ago i had Maradona over CR7. Now I Think a bit differently.

 

I still have maradona over him..and it will remain so forever unless cr7 wins the next world cup for his country with stellar individual display.

 

If Cristiano in 2026 puts up an all timer WC campaign with contributing in every single KO Stage i will officially put him as the GOAT.

 

One fact that I realized from the first time I saw football was that Messi does not need the World Cup to be the best player in history, but Ronaldo does. Now that Messi has it and Ronaldo doesn't, I don't think there will be a long discussion about comparing them The World Cup is the most important world cup and Messi's performance was fantastic
If we don't count the group stage, I would only put Maradona 1986 above Messi 2022 Even if Messi is not the best player in history (which he is for me), he is definitely the best player of the 21st century Unless Ronaldo can do something in these 3 years, which is really unlikely considering his age In only one case, Ronaldo might be able to take a higher position than Messi for me, if in this euro seosen has a performene like platini In euro 1984 and win the euro
Or
He can make his team champion in the World Cup 2026 with at least a very good performance

Anyway, Ronaldo needs another championship
Can Ronaldo really do something like this from 39 to 41 years old? It is really far from the mind that football is ready for Ronaldo to shine again

 

i think is something a lot of people confuse. To be the Greatest of this Sport u need to win a world cup it´s just the way it is the greatest Player needs to win the greatest Trophy.Being the best Player of all time in terms of pure ability is a different conversation this is in my opinion is a debate between Maradona and Messi.

 

Exactly how many games of Cristiano did you watch before 2014? More precisely, how many games did you watch with Ronaldo between 03/04 and 09/10? What skill do you think he "hasn't been able to show them consistently enough to compare with Pele or Messi"? 7 years is a large sample size to be ignored. Ronaldo in that period were consistently dominating and influencing every United attack. He would take the ball in his own half and dribble past defenders all over the field and distribute the ball to shape attacks. He was consistently doing backheels, chops, Cruijff turns, rabonas, elasticos, scissors, volleys, bicycles, etc... Shooting 35+ yards shoots in dead or live balls. So, I'll ask again. Which ability he "hasn't been able to show them consistently enough to compare with Pele or Messi"?

 

The hypocrisy here goes a long way. They penalize Ronaldo for an "unimportant goal" and an assist against Atleti in the 2013/14 final but count Messi's two assists against France and one against Switzerland both in the round of 16 of the world cup as excuses for their lack of goals in the knockout rounds of the world cup.

 

They don't answer you because you fall into fanaticism and foolishness. With one hand on the heart, do you think that Cristiano Ronaldo's dribbling is on par with that of Lionel Messi, Diego Maradona or Pelé? Come on man!

CR7 was never a playmaker either. He never had the ability to create the game of the South Americans in question.

 

7 years is a large sample size yes but his career has lasted 20 years.so for a much larger sample size cr7 has failed to show those skills consistently whereas messi has displayed them throughout his career.that makes lionel a far greater player.no contest.

 

You mean top 3, because for you Messi is less than Cristiano Ronaldo

 

I agree with you to some extent because being the best is a little different from being the greatest
To be the best, I only consider the quality of the player In this sense, I consider Maradona and Cruyff (or Messi) to be one step ahead of others, but for the greatest Messi and Pele
Cristiano is among the top 5 or 6 players in both cases The quality and evolution that Ronaldo presented in football before 2015, I really only saw in Pele and a little in Cruyff

His version 2012 is better than any version of any player Apart Messi from in last 30 years ago

 

Best players in a vacuum at their prime:
Pele/Messi
Maradona
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Cristiano

 

I already said, do you realy think a man who could backheel 20 yards through a crowded box between defenders to a teammates stride and dribble ping-pong balls with the slickest free-style moves cant make diagonal passes if he decided to make that his style and role?

Messi did not have the speed to run faster than Ronaldo
Messi did not have the power to shoot as far as Ronaldo
Messi did not have the footwork to dribble and perform tricks like Ronaldo
Messi did not have the power to leap as high as Ronaldo
Messi did not have the height to reach as high as Ronaldo
Messi did not have the heading ability to score 100+ headers like Ronaldo
Messi did not have the skill to perfectly place back-heels
Messi did not have the strength to out-muscle Ronaldo

Ronaldo did have the technique to play diagonal passes and through balls. (and did to a lesser degree)
Ronaldo did have the ability to dribble in tight spaces. (and did to a lesser degree)

I don't watch games to see boring, repetitive passing, dribble and shot attempts. I watch to see the imagination of player's take over games in an instant. Like aerial back-heels. I've already said, I like the R9's, Ronaldinho's, Zidane's, Robinho' s etc...Throw in 50-60 goals and 15-20 assists and you have MY perfect player.

I view play making as involvement in the sequence of events which spurned a goal or a probable opportunity.
It is applying vision and situational awareness in tandem with physical attributes like dribbling, passing, touch and technique solo or in combination to create scoring chances, which is the most rudimentary aspect of the game. I personally feel Ronaldo were as proficient in this aspect as any player in the world currently or throughout history.

For me, playmaking is the re-occurrence of brilliant play which separates good from great and great from exceptional. All players make passes and dribbles all game every game. Those who have the capability to decide any game in only a moment of genius utilizing skills which are otherwise mundane is what makes someone an effective playmaker.

There is no real game situation where any past legend had any more skill or technique to execute any action on the field to create a goal or otherwise than Cristiano. Those players possessed no skills or attributes that Cristiano didn't and they were not capable of doing anything on the field that Ronaldo can't. He did all those things that they did he just did them out on the wings and a lot less often since most possessions are primarily through the middle. He dropped in to his own half and collected, dribbled past defenders and advanced play making outlet passes. He were good with combination play. He could play a good long ball to switch the point of attack.

@victorcalello38 do you see as "fanaticism" and "foolishness" me presenting evidence that Ronaldo is clearly underestimated in this forum of Messiphiles? So why don't you refute my arguments?

 

This is hardly an argument, a rant rather.

 

CR7's best tournament was 2.6 key passes per game (2009/10). He has six tournaments with +2 kp. Which is great. But he is not at GOAT level in terms of playmaker

Messi's best tournament is 3.8 kp. Messi has 24 (not six!) tournaments with 2 or more kp. Huge gap.

Neymar has 20 tournaments with 2 or more kp. Twenty, not six.

Players like De Bruyne or Ozil are even better than Messi, with more or less 30 seasons with 2 or more kp per game. But of course they don't score 50 goals.

We don't have the numbers for Pelé's entire career. But in the 1970 World Cup, Pelé had 4.7 key passes per game (more than peak messi or cr7). These are the same numbers as De Bruyne peak, for example.

Pelé had the key passes of a specialist in the role, like De Bruyne, but keeping the 50 goals per year. Messi a little less.

CR7 is not at this level of playmaker.

 

Key Passes might be the most Fugazi stat ever.

 

I admire Ronaldo's playmaking performance in the 2006-2007 season He had 25-308 BCC in whole season as a winger, which was probably the most in this position And it was also one of the seasons that gave a lot of per assists I think Carlito had already given a statistic
He also had a lot of non-Opta assists According to TransferMarket, he gave 16 more assists than any player in the top 5 league
In terms of dribbling, he was probably the best in that season
Ronaldo 2007 season will forever be underrated The reason why I personally consider Kaka to be the best player was because of the match they had in the semi-finals of UCL. Otherwise, in the whole season, I think the majority agree that Cristiano was better, but because of his very good performance kaka,he lost the Ballon d'Or that year.

 

06/07 Ronaldo was much better than kaka. It was the best version of him at United and he was definitely the best player in the world that season. Totti was the only player who got anywhere near him on overall performances but he was cheated to 10th place in the ballon d'or.

That version of Ronaldo is ridiculously underrated simply because of his numbers...he easily should have left the EPL with 2 ballon d'ors.

 

Easily

2006/07 cristiano Ronaldo

Most match winning goals scored in Europe’s top 5 leagues in 2006/07
8

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/gamewinners/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/?saison_id=2006
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/laliga/gamewinners/wettbewerb/ES1/plus/?saison_id=2006
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/ligue-1/gamewinners/wettbewerb/FR1/plus/?saison_id=2006
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bundesliga/gamewinners/wettbewerb/L1/plus/?saison_id=2006
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/serie-a/gamewinners/wettbewerb/IT1/plus/?saison_id=2006



Most dribbles completed in the champions league 2006/07
47

82 - Lionel Messi has completed more dribbles in the CL this season than any other player since his debut. Magician. pic.twitter.com/hAtSfV872M

— OptaJohan (@OptaJohan) June 6, 2015

Most assists provided in 2006/07
21
https://www.transfermarkt.com/most-assists-per-season-since-2000-01/index/galerie/1024






Highest dbs calcio rating in Europe’s top 4 leagues

Premier league 2006/07 top 5 players



La Liga 2006/07 top 5 players




Serie A 2006/07 top 5 players




Bundesliga 2006/07 top 5 players



Cristiano Ronaldo 2006/07 was the only player in Europe’s major leagues to be rated above 7

If you take the years between 1990 and 2007 Cristiano Ronaldo in 2007 was the clearest and most obvious choice for the ballon dor

In certain respects it was even more clearer than 2008

This season is brushed off because he did not score a bunch of goals like he did in latter years

IF Diego Maradona In one season

1. Had the highest dbs calcio rating in Europe’s major leagues
2. Completed the most dribbles in the champions league
3. Scored the most match winning goals in Europe’s top leagues
4. Provided the most assists in Europe

That season would be called the greatest maradona season of all time
In fact that season would be called the greatest season of all time

And we would be here today listening to his most faithful fans 35 years later saying

“LOOK AT HOW DOMINANT MARADONA WAS
IMAGINE IF HE PLAYED FOR LIONELS MESSIS BARCELONA”

I’ve been on football forums LONG enough to know how these things work

@LaPulga22 tell me what you think about this
This is peak dribbling Ronaldo

 

Cristiano Ronaldo 2009/10 in the snow turns into prime lothar matthäus

 

Proportion of goals in the Champions League from the quarter-finals to the final:

Ronaldo: 42 goals in 49 games (0.86)

(abyss)

Salah: 8 in 13 (0.61)
Lewandowski: 12 in 22 (0.55)
Mbappé: 6 in 12 (0.50)
Suarez: 8 in 16 (0.50)
Messi: 20 in 43 (0.46)

 

This is the greatest goalscorer of all time. Not just the proportion, but the volume matters also. More goals = more games played = more trophies. To sustain this rate means he had to keep coring high-profile goals over and over again. Much more impressive than just the rate.
This is why it is important to highlight that Cristiano is in league of his own. People who say that Messi equals his goalscoring ability are being unfair and disingenuous.

 

There was a time when some fans use to cry about how much the champions league R16 mattered.

That time no longer exists


It was only a matter of time to be honest.
A few more seasons at PSG perhaps even one and I wouldn’t be surprised to see his overall gpg rate in the CL drop below Ronaldos aswell

No maccabe Haifa here


But that’s just theory and the facts on their own suffice

 

I don’t want to get in some long-form fight about this, but I don’t think anyone would or should honestly say the CL round of 16 doesn’t matter. All CL knockout stages matter since anything can happen in cup football (and these two players in question have both lost in the round of 16 multiple times) and you have to be at least a solid team to make the KO stages. And to the extent we’d want to extract out easier opponents, there are difficult draws in the round of 16 and easier draws after the round of 16—it’s a case-by-case thing. Like APOEL or Galatasaray are not better than Manchester City or Bayern Munich, regardless of what round a team faced those teams.