Which is why I still maintain that CR7 at around the turn of the decade was as good a sustained peak as the modern footballing world has ever seen. It is right up there with Messi of around the same period. I genuinely couldn't tell who was better between the two, and generally just felt very blessed to have witnessed these two. In those years, I genuinely thought I was watching the two best players of all time playing at their peak. Then, of course, Messi 14-15 happened and showed us there was, in fact, another human level above.
Goal Ratings La Liga 2011/2012 https://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/e...si-v-cristiano-ronaldo-the-final-head-to-head
I loved Ronnie in 2006/07 season. Like no one ever expected him to be all bulked up and his dribbling was even better. 07/08 is my personal favourite season of Cristiano. Loved his all round game back then.
La Liga 2010/2011 Incomplete. https://www.goal.com/en/news/3545/h...-cristiano-ronaldo-head-to-head-leo-cr7-smash
16 - In @realmadriden's 6-0 win against Real Zaragoza in Aug 2011, Cristiano Ronaldo had 16 shots (8 shots on target, 3 goals scored), the most by a player in a single @LaLigaEN game since at least 2005/06. Machine. #OptaLaLigaSeasons pic.twitter.com/GndfWCIoXp— OptaJose (@OptaJose) March 31, 2020 The game: Btw another video of C. Ronaldo 11/12 by a famous fan youtuber. Personally, I think 2011/2012 is getting overrated if we think he was much better than other seasons he's had in his peak, in fact he lowered his numbers of dribbles completed, touches on the ball and key passes per 90 minutes if compared with his two seasons before. Point is Real Madrid in 11-12 was a machine team and before not so much if we analyse the results with and without Cristiano Ronaldo, he had more impact before. In 2011-2012 Real Madrid, without Cristiano Ronaldo, won all the matches including 6-2 against Dinamo Zagreb, 3-0 vs Ajax (away) and 5-1 vs Ponferradina in the Copa del Rey. While in 2009-10 and 2010-11 Real Madrid without Ronaldo had more bad than good results. https://www.transfermarkt.com.br/cristiano-ronaldo/leistungsdaten/spieler/8198/plus/1?saison=2011 PD Good to remember that C. Ronaldo was the leader in terms of Non-PK Goals and assists (all competitions) in the two seasons before (among those who played at least 1000 minutes) and in 2011/2 with a likely less well-rounded game he was behind Benzema and Higuain. https://fbref.com/en/squads/53a2f082/2011-2012/Real-Madrid
I just completed this comp and would like to share it with forum members 28 goals+25 assists in 59 matches for club and country https://www.redcafe.net/threads/man...sts-1987-88-today.396084/page-3#post-16431581 https://www.transfermarkt.com/cristiano-ronaldo/nationalmannschaft/spieler/8198 As a 21/22 year old midfielder/winger I have access to most of his match reports and he was considered till at least March/April 2007 to have gotten as close to single handedly leading a title charge as any player that preceded him Superlatives were exhausted The new George best https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...tball-news/law-ronaldo-can-be-the-best-989337 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...entertainer-just-like-george-best-b0xdtx8vfbc The best player in the world bar non up until at least March 2007 according to both Italian and British media https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...becoming-one-of-the-greatest-of-all-time.html https://www.theguardian.com/football/2007/apr/11/newsstory.championsleague1 All at 21 and in the best league in the world Ryan giggs considered this to be his best Manchester United season even though he won a ballon dor in 2008 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...s-better-two-seasons-ago-says-Ryan-Giggs.html Henrik larsson who played with both ronaldinho and CR said in April 2007 Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player in the Premier League and in the whole of Europe. The things I have seen him do since I have been in Manchester have been incredible, amazing. It is just like a total show in training and even in the matches. "This kid will one day arrive at the very top in the world of football — if he isn’t there already — because of the fact that he makes the most difficult plays look easy. I know both him and Ronaldhino and have now played with both of them. And Ronaldo is top in Europe at the moment. " https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-430128/Ronaldo-best-Europe-says-Larsson.html Just completely Unplayable and Unstoppable A genuine tier 1 athlete with the best invention and end product of any player that season @Edhardy @Alessandro10 @Tropeiro @robnycus @poetgooner @Dearman
2006/7 was a nice season, Ronaldo had something like 17 Goals and 8 assists in the EPL while being very likely the best ball carrier (and maybe the best dribbler) of the league, not so much defensive work, not so much end product against elite teams either. I compare this season of Cristiano with EPL Hazard's 14/15, 4.8 dribbles completed, 2.6 key passes per match, 14 Goals, 9 Assists, best ball carrier of the EPL. I think Neymar in 15/16 > Ronaldo 06/07 tho. From the aesthetic point of view that was the best Ronaldo's season, but 07/8 was better imo and very likely his best season and his level matched with his best level of 09/10, 10/11 and 11/12.
2007/08 Assists,wingplay,chances created and playmaking https://www.goal.com/en/news/468/in...ker-casillas-xavi-named-best-players-by-iffhs
Based on this data, Cristiano Ronaldo completed more dribbles (and probably was more of a ball progressor) and was a better finisher with Manchester United and in his first season with Real Madrid than in his so called peak; League form. ~10 Expected Non-PK Goals in EPL 2007/8 27 Non-PK Goals. Also ~ 10 Expected Non-PK Goals in EPL 2006/7 and ~8.5 Expected Goals in the EPL 2008/9 = 14 Non-PK Goals ~12 Expected Non-PK Goals in La Liga 2009/10 and 22 Non-PK Goals. From 2010/11 to 2017/8 he had at least around ~20 Expected Non-PK Goals. Also according to Goalpoint site, he attempted 6.6 dribbles per 90 (up there with his 06/07 and 09/10 seasons). Probably his best season, 2007/8.
Cristiano Ronaldo - 2011 Calendar year, La Liga seasons (Madrid always fighting for the title) Messi, 2011 Would be nice to see the calender year rating from 2010 and 2012 of Cristiano Ronaldo. https://1xbet.whoscored.com/Article...1-La-Liga-Player-and-Young-Player-of-the-Year
I was looking for it some weeks ago If you have the time you could calculate his average score for the calendar year looking at individual match ratings provided by whoscored I already did half the job on the dearman thread His average for the 2nd half of 2009/10 was 8.90
Now you'll just have to go through the first half of 2010/11 His whoscored peak I presume was either 2010 or 2014 2014 is one of if not his strongest year Reaching peaks of 9.13 in la liga between August and December 31st of 2014 25 goals 8 assists 2.8 KP per match 1.7 dribbles 11 MOTM awards In 14 matches Obscene numbers So obscene he was directly involved in 75% of his teams goals in the first half of la liga 2014/15 25 goals + 8 assists out of 42 team goals Ronaldo before December 2014 and after are 2 different players View attachment 178772 He never regained that level again in a league format except in some champions league matches It's just my opinion but id wager Ronaldo achieved a 8.6- 8.80 ~ whoscored rating for the 2010 calender year Its a 8.9 average for the 2nd half of la liga 2009/10 18 matches He scored between August and December 31st 2010 17 goals + 6 assists in 16 matches At worst with his all round game at that time (supported also by your infograph) whoscored would've given him a 8.4 rating for the first half of 10/11 which is approximately a 8.65 whoscored average for the calender year Could be higher But definitely not lower Ronaldos whoscored peak level in la liga champions league are as follows: A 9.13 rating in first half la liga 2014/15 8.96 in the 2013/14 champions league before the SF(and his injury against Dortmund) 8.90 in the second half la liga 2009/10 18 matches 1600 ~minutes played His normal average peak level between 2010-2014 was 8.40(roughly) Before this (at Manchester United) It's difficult to say
I will try. I guess a bit lower in 2010 like 8.55-8.6. But yes, Probably 2014 was his best rated year.
@Tropeiro 21/22 years old with 4.4 Dribbles per 90 3 goals+5 opta assists(4 pre assists to go along with that) I can imagine in the league(against lower level opponents)it is the same or higher The peak is extraordinary imo To go from that to 2014(the end product machine) Franck ribery is below this in the CL (Dribbles and end product) https://www.whoscored.com/Players/9016/History/Franck-Ribéry Robben is below this in the CL (Dribbles and end product) https://www.whoscored.com/Players/4173/History/Arjen-Robben Salah,mane,mahrez,mbappe etc Theyre not even in the equation Its a GOAT level winger who became a GOAT level forward the UEFA overview https://sportslens.com/uefa-football-team-of-the-year-2007/5409/ Will return to this when I get more info on the 2006/07 PL stats
He also completed 14 dribbles in that match vs Benfica. 📈 MOST UCL SUCCESSFUL DRIBBLES (Opta)16 - MESSI (Man Utd 2008)16 - Zanetti (D Kiev 2003)15 - Neymar (Juve 2017)15 - Neymar (Atalanta 2020)15 - Hazard (Maribor 2014)14 - CRISTIANO (Benfica 2006)More info below 👇 pic.twitter.com/OtKD4kLR7M— MessivsRonaldo.app (@mvsrapp) August 13, 2020 In the EPL I guess ~ 3/3.5.
I'd figure it would be more than this CL on average has higher level opponents than the league No point guessing You could even ask opta yourself They have a designated timeslot for these types of questions
You could check it if you want, check those from 05/06 and 07/08 too. 08/09 he completed less than 2 dribbles. Neymar did have so far more dribbles in the UCL too Spoiler (Move your mouse to the spoiler area to reveal the content) Show Spoiler Hide Spoiler . . UEFA Champions League - Neymar . PSG - 14 G 8 A (1.26 G+A per 90) - 118 DRIBLES (6.78 Dribbles per 90) - 52 KEY PASSES (2.99 KP per 90) . . If lightning strikes Neymar and he wins 3 Champions in a row, Copa América in 2021 and the World Cup at the end of 2022 with these numbers his position in the all-time ranking should be reviewed as well.
It is actually 8.45 He got off to a relatively slow start in la liga 2010/11 I was surprised (he picked up 2nd half)
It is lower than I imagined. Cristiano Ronaldo's lowest point was in 2012. Check it out. I guess about 7.90. In 2010, 8.45, 2011, 8.45-8.50. In 2013 and 2014 it was higher (8.60 - 8.90)
In the league yes(1.8) Champions league almost certainly no He was stiff pretty much all season(he had ankle problems in 2008 and 2009) https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...jury-fears-put-Real-Madrid-move-in-doubt.html I'm not saying it was much more but it is more in the CL(from footage ive reviewed) His strengths in 2009 (before his short lived resurgence in early 2010) were clearly not dribbling It was shot power,FKs,header and ball carrying He was a the danger man in that sense (without the close control wizardry from 2007) With space he was a threat like no other in 2009
It was 8.02 2012 is truly a tale of 2 halfs There is the first half where he was really devastating and at a real elite level https://www.whoscored.comArticles/a...lysis-WhoScoreds-Top-Rated-Centre-Midfielders https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/...how/Euro-2012-Focus-Player-Stats-Leaderboards This lasts until the virtuoso performance vs Holland The rating nosedived in the first half of la liga 2012/13 when his level and the level of real Madrid dropped (cassilas was heavily criticized as were real Madrids defence and Messi went on that GOAT scoring run that capped him the ballon dor) His confirmed peak(and not prime) was 2014(clearly IMO) as a 1 year peak At club level that was as dominant a peak as there ever has been He has arguably been equally or slightly more brilliant at a few points in his career But never ever as sustained as this 2008 had the drop off mid way through the year due to injuries 2012 had the drop off after Euro 2012 2010 had relatively inconsistent periods of form at the start of 2010/11 2015-2020 is well well well below this at league level Although I like his 2019/20 season alot(his best since 14/15 IMO) That leaves 2013 and 2007 Insanely good and consistent at league and international level functioning in different roles Calender year peak 2014 2007 2011 2012 In that order Season peak Will come back to this later
Gabrielle marcotti Euro 2004 At Euro 2004, where he was a 19-year-old who parachuted into the final years of Portugals Golden Generation. Ronaldo attempted more dribbles (7.79) than anybody else at the tournament and ranked among the leaders in shots on goal with 4.1 2006-2009 Ronaldo became the focal point of the attack, or, rather, because Rooney was also an unorthodox striker rather than a traditional centre-forward, the pair were the hub of a fluid offense, each reacting to the other's movement. Ronaldo began to exploit his aerial ability, scoring eight league goals over three seasons with his head and vastly outperforming expected goals -- xG -- which amounted to 3.03 in that time. He usually lined up on the right, but occasionally played through the middle or on the left, but in some ways where he started mattered less than where he ended up: all over the pitch, creating mismatches and wreaking havoc. As he took on more attacking responsibility, he started taking more shots and averaged more than five a game, a figure he would stay above through the rest of his United career. Not only that but, to use Neville's term, he started "bollocking it" from distance. Of the 527 shots Ronaldo took in those three seasons, nearly 60% came from more than 21 yards out. That would remain a hallmark throughout his career, although his effectiveness from distance has waned over time. So too has his dead-ball prowess; in this period, he scored nine free kick goals in the league United won three consecutive league titles and, just as important, excelled in the Champions League, reaching a semifinal and two finals (winning it all in 2007-08). Over the past 50 years, the club have reached the final four of the Champions League or European Cup on only five occasions: three of them came in this period, with Ronaldo running rampant. While this piece is mostly about his individual statistics and how he has changed and evolved, you cannot forget that football is a team game. And it is not a coincidence that his last three years at United, when he was tasked with carrying the team, coincided with arguably the best three-year period in club history. 2009/10 Real Madrid finished second in 2009-10 but were a disjointed side that crashed out of the Champions League at the round-of-16 stage. That they ranked last in La Liga for shot quality, with an xG/shot of 0.06, tells you this was more a bunch of individuals than a team. Ronaldo took responsibility, as he had done at United. He led the team in shots and dribbles attempted, and his time was divided quite equally along the attacking front: left, right and centre. He finished the campaign with 33 goals; 26 of them were scored in La Liga, which saw him one behind Gonazalo higuain To be continued
@Tropeiro Complete stats of Cristiano ronaldo 2007/08 as a reference Taken from Opta/transfermarket 31 goals in 2747 minutes played (30.5 games) 3.2 dribbles completed per 90 1.5 Key pass per 90 1126 passes= 36.9 passes avg per 90 3.86 crosses attempted per 90 https://www.whoscored.com/Players/5583/History/Cristiano-Ronaldo https://www.premierleague.com/players/2522/Cristiano-Ronaldo/stats?co=1&se=16 https://www.dagbladet.no/sport/cristiano-dribler-mer-enn-zlatan/66428814 'Big chances' were not recorded for pre 2009/10 players by opta Now This is what could potentially raise his score even higher than 2009/10 Defence (who would've thought?) CR 2007/08 0.95 tackles per 90 1.4 blocks per 90 0.8 clearances per 90 >>> CR 2009/10 0.5 tackles per 90 0.5 interceptions per 90 0.1 clearances per 90 Defensively in 2007/08 he was WAY better than 2009/10(and any Madrid season for that matter) Offensively he was only slightly worse Although objectively I cannot see it seeing as the PL between 2007-2010 was widely considered to be greater than la liga (Even though optas algorithm doesn't take this fact into consideration im just mentioning it) Using Someone like luis Suarez PL 2013/14 as a reference point Whoscored rating:8.43 31 goals in 2965 minutes(32.9 matches) 2.8 dribbles per 90 1264 passes completed 38.4 avg pass per 90 2.5 attempted crosses per 90 2.7 key passes per 90 Defence 1.06 tackles per 90 0.3 interceptions per 90 0.27 clearances per 90 https://www.premierleague.com/players/4138/Luis-Suárez/stats?co=1&se=22 https://www.whoscored.com/Players/22221/History/Luis-Suárez Using Mohammed 'winger' salah 17/18 as a reference point Whoscored rating for PL 7.69 32 goals in 2922 minutes (32.4 matches) 946 passes 29.1 passes avg per 90 2.6 attempted crosses per 90 1.9 key pass per 90 2.4 completed dribbles per 90 Defence 0.4 tackles per 90 0.2 interceptions per 90 0.1 clearances per 90 https://www.whoscored.com/Players/108226/History/Mohamed-Salah https://www.whoscored.com/Players/108226/History/Mohamed-Salah Conclusion Goals CR>salah >Suarez Dribbling CR>Suarez >salah Passing Suarez >CR>salah Crossing CR>salah >Suarez Defence CR>Suarez>salah Like i said earlier I envisage a 8.5-8.6 whoscored rating for the PL 2007/08 Made all the more remarkable by his age at the time All the ingredients for that rating are there IMO
Lightning? You mean a meteorite If he wins as a main protagonist 3 consecutive CLs+copa America+world cup In just 3 years PELE WILL COME OUT OF RETIREMENT He can still run more than luiz Suarez I'm sure