Post-match: Crew v. DC United 6/26/10

Discussion in 'Columbus Crew' started by Missionary, Jun 27, 2010.

  1. Missionary

    Missionary Member

    Jul 13, 2003
    Mission Viejo
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was nice to see the Crew get a win after a depressing USA loss to Ghana. I appreciated the Coaches willingness to try something new with Moffat as a hybrid right back.

    I felt bad for Steve Lenhart on the pk. GBS was trying to help the kid build up his confidence and it clearly backfired.

    Team as a whole had an excellant second 45.
     
  2. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was Lenhart trying to score, or was he trying to injure the goalkeeper? He literally kicked it so hard, the keeper didn't have a chance to get out of the way.

    Totally got away with a handball on the Schelotto goal. I can't believe that was missed. Take it. On Brunner's goal, it almost seemed like DC wasn't even aware the play had been restarted. I can't remember ever seeing someone THAT open on a corner kick before.

    There were stretches of time where DC was taking the play to us, and probably should have scored on a couple occasions. Hesmer did a good job of making himself big, maybe forcing the shooters to be not quite as comfortable.

    I like Renteria. If he were a ribeye steak, I'd say he needs a little more seasoning and a little more time on the grill. (Or some other ridiculous analogy.) But he brought a lot of energy last night, and some dangerous crosses. Good to see him get the start.
     
  3. Crew Chuck35

    Crew Chuck35 Member+

    Apr 13, 2009
    Gahanna, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our offense is pathetic. I dont know what has to happen to get better. I know we scored twice but it was a lucky handball and off a set piece. I would love to see the FO go get a solid striker.
    Love the Renteria though.
    Rogers wasnt completely useless yesterday. Thats good!
     
  4. bergbros

    bergbros Member

    Aug 23, 2008
    Galloway
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am more concerned by the defense. There were far too many defensive lapses and good team that could finish would have put the Crew in an early hole. There were some beautiful runs by Rogers and Renteria and the set pieces were very dangeous. renteria was a bear, but you wonder if can do it for a full 90.
     
  5. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pathetic? Really?

    We scored two goals. Yes, we were fortunate one to not have a handball called, but that was a rebound off a post where we were unfortunate not to score on the first shot.

    The corner kick goal -- I don't know why everyone wants to discount set piece goals all of a sudden. They're a huge part of the sport. As Alexi Lalas likes to say, "Set pieces, set pieces, set pieces." There are teams that go months on end without scoring on corner kicks. We seem to get one every other week. They're not gimmes -- someone has to serve them, and someone has to finish them. And that's after earning the restart to begin with.

    And frankly, we also earned a penalty that should have made it 3-0. If that kick had mattered at all, GBS would have taken in instead of the "Let's try to get Lenny on track" strategy, and it's a third goal.

    I'm with bergbros -- the defense concerns me more.
     
  6. Crew Chuck35

    Crew Chuck35 Member+

    Apr 13, 2009
    Gahanna, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Valid point on the set pieces comment. They are important and we need to score on them as much as possible. However, I don't see us being dangerous enough in the normal run of play.
    Defensivly I think our main problems are mental lapses (Brunner) and careless turnovers (Caroll and Moffat).



     
  7. mmradio13

    mmradio13 Member+

    Apr 13, 2008
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Quoting Alexi Lalas isn't that much better than quoting Julie Foudy.

    Our offense wasn't great but its definitely been worse. I would like to see Renteria up top with Guille just to see how it works out for a full game. I think if we started Ekpo out wide with those two up top, we'd score plenty of goals. Not sure if that would work with the 3-5-2, because Ekpo would have to track back way too much for his own liking (not that Ekpo is as horrible at defense as some make it out to be, but the fact that he can't run that much in a match).
     
  8. suspenders1964

    Mar 4, 2000
    Pontius and Quaranta suck and their shooting technique is the worst.
     
  9. kgilbert78

    kgilbert78 Member+

    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    United States
    Dec 28, 2006
    Cowlumbus, OH
    Club:
    Borussia Mönchengladbach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Renteria reminds me of a Jacob Thomas with skill.
     
  10. Crew Chuck35

    Crew Chuck35 Member+

    Apr 13, 2009
    Gahanna, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm shocked no one has brought up the PK and the fact Guille didn't take it and that Robert lectured him on the field for not taking it. I don't think Robert and Guille see eye to eye on much.
     
  11. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
    Staff Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Slow down, trigger.

    Do you honestly think that if the game had been in any kind of doubt that GBS wouldn't have taken it himself? They recognized that the kick would mean nothing outside of margin of victory, and tried to use it as an opportunity to get Lenhart going a little bit. I don't have a problem with it at all.

    And someone else mentioned that to me last night, and they made it sound a lot less serious than a "lecture".
     
  12. Crew Chuck35

    Crew Chuck35 Member+

    Apr 13, 2009
    Gahanna, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh I get why he didn't take it. In fact I agree with it. I don't agree with RW and adressing it with Guille the way he did.
     
  13. suspenders1964

    Mar 4, 2000
    i don't think this is that big of a deal. if it were 1-0, then ok, i'd be pissed.

    i understand where Bob was coming from though.
     
  14. Massivereport

    Massivereport New Member

    Jun 2, 2010
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
  15. WhiteHartShame

    WhiteHartShame Member+

    Nov 16, 2008
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Renteria looked good, he should have stayed on and Garey should have gone to the bench. Robbie had a decent game. Moffat looked shakey with many bad passes.

    I was screened partially (like the ref?) on the GBS goal, was it clearly a handball?

    Did GBS tell Lenhart to take the pk? Nice gesture that backfired. Every goal counts if goal differential is used to break a tie at the end of the season.

    3 points, tied for first with one game in hand.
     
  16. DAFCrew

    DAFCrew Member+

    Feb 27, 2007
    Terre Haute, Indiana
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    That's a pretty accurate comparison, really. Hey, remember that goal that Thomas finally scored? That was awesome. I've done a lot of drinking to put those years behind me.

    Thoughts on Moffat in the back from those of you who were there? On the broadcast, it looked as though he played a few good balls forward, and made a few Frankiesque runs. Unfortunately, it also looked as though a few of his passes were too ambitious, and basically straight giveaways.

    The DC announcers actually compared the hand ball to Henry's, which was weak. It sure was a handball, but it sure didn't look intentional. How many players might have, unlike GBS, had the kind of reaction that would have led to the call being made?

    I like the idea of Renteria up front with Schelotto, and Ekpo wide. I'd like it even better if Ekpo and Renteria could each do a convincing 90 minutes.
     
  17. suspenders1964

    Mar 4, 2000
    but still, why wouldn't they show it? they showed the other goals.

    just because it appears to be the result of a bad call doesn't mean they shouldn't show it. it is not up to the Columbus Crew personnel to interpret the rules of the game for everyone as there may be cases where there are extenuating circumstances that the referee deems legal. Columbus Crew has no right to not show the goal.

    show one, show them all. it's not your place to make the decisions about what is and is not within the rules.
     
  18. OU9601

    OU9601 Member

    Jul 12, 2003
    Lancaster, Ohio
    So 11 guys on the field and the entire bench can bum rush the ref & 4th to scream and yell and point at the video board?

    Did you really say they have "no right" not to show it? Come on now. Keep a close eye for all those replays of yellow card fouls on Crew players, too.
     
  19. Aaron d

    Aaron d Member+

    May 15, 2005
    Wooster
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since when is Crew stadium required to show the goal? I think it's smart not to show the goal so the referee doesn't call a makeup PK. It's called home field advantage. Keeping a win is more important than making sure everyone gets to see a replay.

    Also, it was nice to play at a home field and have calls go our way. Haven't seen that in a few weeks.:rolleyes:
     
  20. fidlerre

    fidlerre Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 10, 2000
    Central Ohio
    You were with the two of them when they were taking about it? Heard everything that was said? Until such time, I think I'll hold judgement on what their conversation was about...
     
  21. pettyfog

    pettyfog Member

    Jan 30, 2000
    Enon OH Exit 49
    Club:
    Columbus Crew

    MLSSOCCER: Fist of Guille


    Now... GBS is the field general. He's Patton to Bobby's Ike. Aint like he's freakin Tony Sanneh.
     
  22. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

    Feb 11, 2000
    Columbus, OH, USA
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To me, this isn't a Guille vs. Robert issue, it's a Lenhart issue. And it's Robert's job to get more production out of Lenhart, not Guille's. I don't think whatever went on between Guille and Robert has any meaning, long-term. RW had to address a situation where the standard operating procedure was changed on the field without his approval. MLS, despite occasional appearances to the contrary, isn't a pick-up league.

    Lenhart looked buffoonish in taking that PK. What "might" have helped his confidence has, if anything, given him one more aspect of his game to doubt. Of course, he has no one to blame but himself; his stifled guffaws as he approached the spot made his failure to score anything but a surprise. Still, if Robert has wanted to use a situation where the Crew, say, was up a couple of goals late and happened to earn a PK, as a chance for Lenhart to notch a goal, he could have talked to Lenhart about it ahead of time, told him it would be a possibility, maybe had him do some extra PK practice.

    I'm backing Bobby on this one. There may be a time this season where Lenhart needs to take a PK that matters. If that time come, his feeble effort vs. DC will be what pops into his mind as he approaches the ball.
     
  23. AC30

    AC30 Member

    Apr 29, 2007
    Columbus OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    To change the subject, I have a Jaime Moreno-inspired question: can anyone name another outfield player who saw playing time in the 1994 World Cup and who's still playing professionally (at any level)? I can't think of one.
     
  24. pastor

    pastor Member+

    Jul 1, 2009
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    The irony of Steve's miss on the pk was that it went straight up the middle. Thats where GBS usually shoots his pks and makes them. Steve obviously copied Guille and it backfired.
     

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