Could this possibly happen?

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by AriesFlame, Jul 31, 2002.

  1. AriesFlame

    AriesFlame New Member

    Nov 28, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    What if the USSF were to propose a "Great 8"-type exhibition featuring the Elite eight World Cup teams. Would the other 7 teams go for this? Might it take place in a light-scheduled year?
     
  2. SparkeyG

    SparkeyG Member

    Feb 25, 2002
    Mokena, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Close, they call it the Confederations Cup. And if you read the threads over on the FIFA Competitions board, you'll learn that not everyone thinks this is a good idea.

    I, on the other hand am hoping the US will host the 2003 edition of this Cup.
     
  3. Sweeper

    Sweeper New Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    France is hosting it, lets hope for 2007 after a semi final showing....
     
  4. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    In 98 France won with a stand-out defense and an incredible effort from Zidane. In 2002, with an aging they showed their weakness, mid-field depth. With out Zidane and Robert Pires out there to QB things, france at times were just basically punting the ball back and forth and not getting the ballt to Henry and Trezuget in dangerous postions. I think this tournament will bring out most countries young star-power. Cisse of France, Conor Casey, Kyle Martino maybe perhaps for USA, i forget if Argentina is in this thing but if they are then they will have Saviola. But i don't think the hosting matters as much in this.
     
  5. Maczebus

    Maczebus New Member

    Jun 15, 2002
    Other posters have said that this already exists in the form of the Confederations cup. I know what they are getting at but that simply isn't the case. With all due respect, a 'Great 8' cup would simply be a Europe v. South America affair.

    And nowadays no year is light-scheduled where the world's top players are concerned. Many of the players involved in this new cup would have already played anywhere between 40 and 50 domestic matches (barring injury) plus the inevitable European club matches (another 10-20 matches).
    The top clubs in Europe have far more power than their respective governing bodies. They wouldn't be willing to tell their best players to go and play in a relatively meaningless cup, if the top players were given a choice, they would undoubtedly choose the extra rest time.

    And further to the Confed cup issue, isn't UEFA pulling out of it in the next few years? That, together with the re-formatting of the Champions League system, is indicative of the fact UEFA are trying to decrease the size of the fixture list, not increase it.
     
  6. Theo

    Theo New Member

    Feb 14, 2000
    Philadelphia, PA
    has it been officially announced that France will host? i'd love to see it in the USA (but maybe a trip to France is in line)
     
  7. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Confed Cup isn't what the original poster was after (I don't think).

    When he said Elite Eight, I believe he was using American NCAA basketball terminology for the final 8 teams in the tournament -- in other words, the 8 quarterfinalists from this years WC to play an exhibition tournament next year.

    I think that this would be a great idea and I think that it's something that would sell well.

    Put 4 teams in 1 group. Have them play a double header somewhere in the east and another double header somewhere in the midwest. Put the 4 teams in another group and have them play a double header in the northwest and a double header in the southwest. Just two games per team that way. Put them in huge stadiums and all the teams would make good money.

    There should be some stipulation that they have to bring a certain number of their top team players or they get less money. It would seem to me that a lot of the feds would jump at the chance to bring in some big bucks -- Brazil, Korea, Turkey, Senegal.
     
  8. Maczebus

    Maczebus New Member

    Jun 15, 2002
    I wouldn't happen.
    You simply can't force players to represent their country.
    The reason they do it in WCQ/WC/EC etc. is because the tournament means something. A great 8 tournament would still be a 'friendly' tournament.
    Who actually decides whether a player is a top player or not, and how?? Stipulations like this would be impossible to police.
    As I said previously, top European clubs have far more power than National federations when it comes to this. No federation can force someone to play in a meaningless tournament that they don't want to play in, particularly when the clubs are practically telling the players to stay at home.

    Sure you'd get the whole US squad, most of the Korean squad and Senegal might want to get some practice (though remember that they all play in France - or did until Liverpool bought a couple, which just strengthens what I've already stated), getting the top players from clubs that Turkish and more importantly Brazilian players play for, would be nigh on impossible. And as for the other teams involved, chances that the teams provided will resemble anything like those in WC 2002, are between slim and none.

    Even if you do get the 8 teams competing in this cup, the general feeling of the WC wouldn't be there. The urgency wouldn't be the same because the prize is nowhere near as great.

    But on the other hand maybe this would give the US team and more importantly their delusional fans, the prime opportunity to win the world cup which they crave so prematurely for.
     
  9. Postmaster

    Postmaster Member

    Jan 10, 2002
    Poolesville, MD USA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FIFA had previously announced that the host announcement would be announced on 9/23/02. ;) I haven't been able to find anything about it being announced early. If you have a link, please provide it.

    The conventional wisdom had been South Africa. The recent rumors have been France. I think the US still has a shot to host.

    The international calendar is already viewed as too crowded and the trend is in the other direction, so I don't think a "low prestige" country [let's be real, that is the common global view] could be successful in creating an ad hoc tournament of the elite countries. I doubt that Brazil could pull this off.
     
  10. rob88

    rob88 Member

    Nov 23, 2005
    Mexico city
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    This idea would be electrifying
     
  11. leppercut

    leppercut Member+

    Oct 10, 2006
    SLC and Anchorage
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    a 6 year old thread? seriously?
     
  12. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Nassau County, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well the topic was over three years old before the person who bumped it up joined the board.
    For the United States in the year after a World Cup they have the Gold Cup but no WCQs and they don't need to qualify for the Gold Cup. However, the UEFA countries are in Euro qualifying and never have an extended break with the World Cup, Euro, and qualifying for both of those going on every four years. I don't think the original poster's idea would work.
     
  13. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    There're too many games as it is.

    PS. Kyle Martino? Conor Casey?
     
  14. Ringo

    Ringo Member

    Jun 10, 2002
    Rough and Ready
    Club:
    Yeovil Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    is there such a thing as a 'lightly scheduled year'?
     
  15. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  16. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    ya, but he got Paulina Rubio.

    That said, I thought 3 years ago that Santino Quaranta was going to start for the US in the World Cup.
     
  17. Rainer24

    Rainer24 Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Well, to quote one of the greats, cocaine is a hell of a drug.
     
  18. bltleo

    bltleo Member+

    Jan 5, 2003
    GERMANY
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    bltleo will become USMNT coach..could this possible happen?:)
     
  19. silverlion

    silverlion Member

    Nov 23, 2001
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a Metro supporter back in '03, I thought Clark and Gaven would be in Germany for sure. Look how it turned out with Mastroeni, Olsen, and JOB. We still have no-one effective at right midfield but Gaven never stepped up when given the chance.
     
  20. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    between club and country, the calendar is way too crowded, as it is..

    wait for the next time usa hosts the wc and we'll see it happen..
     
  21. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Cocaine isn't a hallucinogenic.

    People were assuming Reyna, O'Brien, Gibbs, Yi, Quaranta, Adu, Szetela, Mathis, et al. to step up in 2008.

    Instead you had a relative dark horse like Clint Dempsey emerge and a slew of disappointments from the well known names.

    He has no top speed and arguably not enough body strength to play wide on the international level.

    There are ways out of it but they require a motion offense, which the US doesn't use.

    Plus, Dempsey is OK on the right.
     
  22. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    there is no such thing in soccer.
     
  23. Rainer24

    Rainer24 Member

    Jan 6, 2008
    Nashville, TN
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Yes, and the joke was a reference to Chappelle's Show and the fact drugs, particularly cocaine, seem to have played a large part in derailing Quaranta's career.


    He's still only 24, so maybe he will work his way into the picture in a couple of years. You never know.
     
  24. dwsmith1972

    dwsmith1972 BigSoccer Supporter

    May 11, 2007
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I believe it involves good deal of back door cuts...
     
  25. Bluecat82

    Bluecat82 Member+

    Feb 24, 1999
    Minneapolis, MN
    Club:
    Minnesota United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Getting this back on the somewhat admittedly moldy topic...

    I wouldn't mind seeing us do this on a youth level as a counter to that "prestegious" Toulon tournament that we probably won't get invited back for either...

    Put it in Southern California in the summer, throw in free passes to Disneyland, add a little beach time, and I'll bet we could get 7 other decent youth national sides to show up.
     

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