this guy is talking about dirt years ago. mexico has changed since then. if you do a poll asking how many people would visit Mexico for gold cup im sure a good 90% would not go...there is no way in hell i would go to mexico to watch a gold cup game and be surrounded by 80 thousands mexican fans, more than 50 thousand of them will probably be intoxicated. like i said, who will show up to watch the other teams play ? sure the mexican games will be sold out but concacaf will lose money with the other games. do you really think they didn't already look at this ? mexico will never get the gold cup. if anything they might get 1 game thats about it. fan safety & support for the others team are all huge factors in why mexico will not get a gold cup.
non but its just common sense. you have yet to answer any of my quesions. if you were from el Salvador, costa rica or Honduras would you go cheer for your team at a gold cup is mexico ? concacaf will never put the gold cup in mexico because nobody will actually want to go there because of the risks... whats the point of having a gold cup when fan support will only be for the mexican team ? its useless which is why mexico will never get a gold cup. i don't understand why you mexican fans want the gold cup in mexico so badly. you already out number the other fans in the U.S. yet you want the gold cup in mexico. why ? just to see a 100% mexican crowd...its not like mexico is at a disadvantage in the U.S., Mexicos games in The U.S are like home games...if anybody should be the for the gold cup it should be other countries with the facilities because they are the ones thats at a disadvantage not mexico. the reason why they have the cup is the U.S and once in canada is because those 2 countries are multicultural. you got people living in The U.S and canada from all the countries taking part in the gold cup..who's gonna go to a cuba vs Jamaica game or a grenada vs Guadeloupe game in mexico ? this is what you mexican supporters don't look at. in your eye its all about whats good for mexico so you want the gold cup just for the sake of having it when you already out number the rest of the fans in the U.S. mexico should be the last country asking to host the gold cup.
Firstly: Mexico has hosted already. Secondly: What makes you think you need to worry about beating Mexico in Mexico? Thirdly: The only reason games "sell" in the US is because they make double headers all the time. You lot of ingrates should be thankful Mexico is in the same confederation otherwise any combination of mathces would have poor to mediocre attendance. For a taste of this, see how in 2002 a Mexico - South Korea quarter final had more than twice the attendance of the actual Final between the host and Costa Rica, the host for crying out loud. /p
no shit wise guy. look at the population of mexico compare to more than half of the teams in concacaf, look at the population of mexicans in north America. how can you even compare Mexican fan support to half of the teams in concacaf. one city in mexico is bigger than a lot of islands combine in conacaf...this had to be the dumbest comment in this forum for 2011. this guy is comparing countries the size of mexico to islands the [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, courier, courier new][SIZE=-1]metro population[/SIZE][/FONT] of the capital of mexico which is mexico city is [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, courier, courier new][SIZE=-2][FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica, courier, courier new][SIZE=-2]20,450,000[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT], its bigger than new york city, its the 3rd biggest city in the world. http://www.worldatlas.com/citypops.htm the population of the whole of cuba is just 11,394,043. come on smarten up. thats like comparing canadian or Russian hockey support to Belarus or even worst. mexico is HUGE!!!! mexico's populations is 108,396,211 sounds about right comparing the 11th largestest country in the world to islands, not to mention the millions of mexican people living in north America. yep sounds like the rest of concacaf fan support should be very close to Mexico's. http://www.worldatlas.com/aatlas/populations/ctypopls.htm
Not as dumb as some guy who have never been to a match in Mexico telling people how violent it is there or what would happen if they hosted.
First of all, I am not a Mexican. Second, the armaggedon scenario you're describing, Mexico losing at home to other teams in official tournaments has already happened and, guess what, nobody was murdered. Third, as a Costa Rican I would feel just as safe in Mexico as I would anywhere else my NT plays, since I do not go looking for trouble and therefore do not expect to find any. Fourth, get a passport, travel the world, get to experience other countries and cultures. That way maybe you won't be such an ignorant fool.
Every time the USMNT plays in Mexico, they and Sam's Army receive a security detail to and from the stadium, it isn't that hard to protect the players and fans. South American crowds (and some of their cities' crime rates) are much worse than Mexico, and the Libertadores is currently going on without much incident. I've been to a US - Mexico Qualifier in Mexico City, and numerous FMF games and can honestly say that Mexico's hooligan problem is very limited (compared to the rest of Latin America and parts of Europe, where hooligans are protected by their clubs and tolerated as part of the atmosphere.) A loud obnoxious crowd of 100,000+ may look intimidating if you've never been to a match outside the US, but it doesn't mean anyone is in any danger.
The only time I've ever felt in physical danger at a sporting event was at old Veterans stadium in Philadelphia. Maybe we should stop holding any events in the US based on my experience there? Mexico and Canada have both had experience hosting sporting events at the highest level. Mexico has hosted an Olympics and two World Cups. Canada has hosted multiple Olympics. It is absurd to think that they could not host and secure a major sporting event, or even the Gold Cup.
Please don't say anything you would not say to me if you walked into a bar. Be polite as I am sure you would if you were not behind the anonimity of a keyboard, you are free to attack my statements. Don't throw population numbers at me, I'm aware of that, interesting how you didn't even mention the US' population. But I'm not comparing populations, we are comparing attendance since you brought it up. The point I was trying to prove (lost on you) is that Mexico as a country is what brings attendance numbers up, almost regardless of venue. The other point I was trying to imply is that hardly anyone wants to see SLV-CUB, regardless of the demographics, bring an Argentina-Germany game and I'll likely go or at a minimum tune in, as would a huge number of fans who are not from Argentina or Germany. So your point of "who would go to grenada-guadeloupe game in Mexico" is not very valid considering that if it were not for the doubleheader schedule, hardly anyone would go in the US either. Granted there is a lot more immigrant population in the US, but not to make a huge impact in a game like this. Your other points are pure speculations, I don't recall any big incident after CRC beat Mexico in what was a much more important game than a Gold Cup match (not final). The worst I've seen off the field was in Honduras for the '94 WC, and Mexico were the victims. /p
Here's a question? Why not have a multi grouped Gold Cup? Just for fun Group B is play Honduras' games in Honduras. Since they are the highest ranked team there. I'm venturing a guess that Jamaica is 2nd, so Jamaica gets two home games in Kingston. Gutemala gets one home game against Grenada Group A Mexico plays at home Costa Rica hosts two games El Salvador hosts Cuba Group C USA hosts all three games Canada hosts two Guadeloupe hosts Panama, or vice versa, I don't care The quarterfinals in New York are held in Mexico, the DC quarters are held in the US somewhere. The semifinals from Mexico are played in Mexico, the US ones are played in the states and then the final in LA. Would be an interesting way to do it.
Too much traveling involved...Plus,there should be one different host every edition,that way,it's more fair!
That's just not happening. They aren't hosting this thing in central America or the Caribbean anytime soon. As for travel, doesn't group B play in LA and Miami?
Central America probably could,but CONCACAF doesn't want them to... The distances between venues is already too much.
Yes because they'd never get away with charging $15 to $80 per game (note I'm dividing the cost of a ticket in half because they fill both games) in Central America.
I have to back up Rafael Hernandez on this one. Hosting the Gold Cup in Mexico, just wouldn't sell. Like he said, we look down on CONCACAF and always thought of ourselves as more competitive with CONMEBOL. Hence, Mexico has been in the bidding for WC in the future and Copa America, but hasn't ever really bidded on Gold Cup, partly because of our snobbery against the rest of the confederation, but also because if it wasn't for the direct ticket to Confederation's Cup, no one would ever give two shits about it. Look at the commotion at the bullshit decision by CONCACAF to limit Mexican participation into CONMEBOL. The federation (CONMEBOL) was rightly pissed because it belittled their tourney, while CONCACAF was mad that FMF always treats it as 2nd class citizen. I still believe it has to be rotated, though. It lends credibility to it, and let the credibility grow and Mexican money will follow it. Being held in the US all the time grows bland. Canada has more than enough to host it (if it can host a god damn olympic!), and it should be rotated to a co-host opportunity by Caribbean and Central American nations, otherwise this thing will remain in the shit pile. That being said, Mexico, outside of maybe Mexico games and an opportunity to yell at and insult US players, I doubt we would even care for a Jamaica-Guatemala game.
ok so you're costa rican. but if you went to mexico and walked around nobody would even look at you as a costa rican if you didn't have something that showed you're costa rican. you speak the same language and unless you're afro costa rican you look the same as a mexican person so you have no problem fitting in. but put yourself in the shoes of a Jamaican in a stadium in mexico and tell me how safe you would feel in there. ignorance or not its the way a lot people in this world think. its called reality, do you think the police in Arizona knows who's the illegal Mexicans and who's not ? or who's Mexican and who's Colombian ? if you fit a certain profile their stopping you. right or wrong thats reality man. what im trying to say is your hispanic so you will fit into mexico without looking as an outsider. its not ignorance its the truth. i know alot about mexico's history, i know about Gaspar Yanga's history so don't try to say im ignorant because i will being the facts out on Veracruz,Oaxaca and Guerrero and show you real ignorance on how the afro Mexican people are treated and the fact that they're still not even given any recognition as a distinct ethnic group or how some mexican people online were talking bad about Giovanni dos santos when they found out he was afro mexican. NOW IM NOT SAYING EVERY MEXICAN IS LIKE THIS BUT YOU HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM IN YOUR COUNTRY IF THE GOVERNMENT IS TURNING A BLIND EYE TO CRAP LIKE THIS IN THIS DAY AND AGE. The series of five stamps released for general use Wednesday depicts a child character from a comic book started in the 1940s that is still published in Mexico. The boy, hapless but lovable, is drawn with exaggerated features, thick lips and wide-open eyes. His appearance, speech and mannerisms are the subject of kidding by white characters in the comic book….Activists said the stamp was offensive, though officials denied it. “One would hope the Mexican government would be a little more careful and avoid continually opening wounds,” said Sergio Penalosa, an activist in Mexico’s small black community on the southern Pacific coast.
I think those stamps came out years ago, not recently as I think you stated. In any case, that's a comic book, one in which the heroe is a black kid, whose features (as in all caricatures) are exagerated. The character is meant to be likeable and those who insult him in the stories are portrayed as ignorant or villians. So if anyone choses to take offense I respect that, just stating some facts. Remember when the Mexican goverment abolished slavery and how the US torn itself apart in war to prevent slavery from being abolished, when? My advise is that we get back on topic, reading or knowing any amount of history apparently is no qualification to determine how a foreigner would be treated during a football match /p
The Copa America just isn't gonna happen. Mexico has hosted just about every FIFA tournament that exists but CONMEBOL wouldn't allow it.
come on man if they treat afro mexican people who were born in veracruz mexico likes dogs to the point where they don't acknowledge them as a ethnic group because some places don't acknowledge them as mexicans (these people are not even full black there mixed) you really think it will be different when full black supporters is at a game waving their countries flag in a stadium full of mexicans ? (once again im not saying all mexicans are like this) some of those afro mexican people can't even leave their little towns in veracruz because they're not excepted in other community's. so how free are they if they can't walk around mexico city like you or your family can...if you look under some of giovani dos santos videos some mexican people still refer to him as a maiate or a tinto which we all know is mexican slag that degrade blacks. these people live in mexico but can't even leave their little towns which means they can't even attend those game or don't feel safe there and you're telling me mexico is a good country to host the gold cup ? a tournament that attracts people of all races. come on man even the natives people are treated like dogs in some of those cities, some places won't even hire them for jobs. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM_IoHXLBsQ&feature=related"]YouTube - Afro Mexico[/ame]
Mexican and Costa Rican Spanish (and lingo) are different. I don't want to get into a racial discussion but the average Costa Rican and Mexican look very different. It may all look the same to someone who doesn't speak Spanish or hasn't traveled South, but Latin Americans can tell the difference. Maybe you haven't been to a high level match (outside the US,) but rival fans are always separated by fences and dozens of police/soldiers, if they aren't forced to sit on opposite ends of the stadium. If one group of fans is vastly outnumbered, the receive a police escort from the time they enter until they board their buses (if things get out of control during the match, the police will remove them by force for their own safety.) Whatever violence happens tends to go down on the street outside the stadium, where the police aren't able to control it. Fans who get beaten up or stabbed are usually going out of their way to look for trouble.
In an attempt to get this thread back on the original matter,many of you have stated that Mexico is not a good choice because of lack of interest...Ok!Then why has CONCACAF never said anything about Canada hosting this?Why is CONCACAF ignoring other possible candidates outside the US?
are you really trying to tell me you can look at someone tell what south American / central American country that person is from you have to be psychic .. i have 2 friends that are from Ecuador and some people think one of them is native and my other Ecuadorian friend always tells the other one he looks Dominican because he has really curly afro looking hair. which proves my point you can't look at a person and tell what country that person is from because no country has a certain look. that like me saying i can look at a black person and tell what country he or she is from thats just ridiculous. anyways back to the topic.