Cosmos attempted rebirth tracking thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by SonicDeathMonkey, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. vevo5

    vevo5 Member

    Nov 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    The stadium is at the border of Queens and Nassau. Here's their population

    Queens: 2,247,848
    Nassau County: 1,339,532

    Between them, that's 3,587,000 to draw from.
     
  2. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    That's pretty cool if true. Well, if they can contain themselves and jump into MLS and play by our rules... if they have delusions of being a Celtic vs. SPL situation as the only team with big funds and fans and all that in a second-rate league, then this plan is irritating.
     
  3. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Would their supporters change their to Just Barely The Borough Boys?

    In all seriousness, is this site on the subway or Long Island RR line?
     
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  4. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Pictures, please.
     
  5. Thestudyofsports

    Thestudyofsports New Member

    Mar 18, 2011
    There is an LIRR line that runs to Belmont on racing days. Easy enough to run it there for soccer matches as well. There are subways nearby but not right on site.
     
  6. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Thanks.
     
  7. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The subway is not even close to nearby
     
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  8. SYoshonis

    SYoshonis Member+

    Jun 8, 2000
    Manistee, Michigan
    Club:
    Michigan Bucks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can we vote on that....?
     
  9. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So much for the whole "its not a real NYC team unless they play in the NYC city limits" excuse we've been hearing from the anti-Metros/RB faction...
     
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  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who do you think you are, PC4th?
     
  11. suppitty

    suppitty Member

    Mar 15, 2004
    DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This must really be ruffling some feathers at MLS HQ: an alternate proposal, at a lesser location, by an outside group, that may encounter less NIMBY opposition, and thus weaken the Flushing project's chances.

    I'm pretty familiar with this area, and I can say that although this location is not a great distance further away from Manhattan than the Flushing site, there is a HUGE difference in the perception of how far it is. Belmont Park, for all intents and purposes, is Long Island. Flushing is still New York City. Belmont gets occasional LIRR ($10-$25 RT fares) regional transit service. Flushing gets regular and express subway service, in addition to regular LIRR.

    I think the Belmont site could work, but it would draw mainly from Eastern Queens and Long Island, while the Flushing site could draw from all over Queens, Long Island, and Manhattan.
     
  12. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Somehow I just can't understand how people are so petty that a few miles outside the border makes a huge difference?
     
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  13. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's because you don't live here
     
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  14. MiWilson

    MiWilson Member

    Oct 17, 2011
    Pennsylvania
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    people shouldnt talk nyc until they know nyc, short distances can take hours in nyc and the metropolitan area. you cannot compare any other city to it
     
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  15. Inca Roads

    Inca Roads Member+

    Nov 22, 2012
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I'm not looking down on NYC or ragging on the fans, but it's borderline incomprehensible to someone from a place like Kansas who has spent very little time in giant cities. I mean, it's nine hours of straight highway driving to just go to an away game...
     
  16. tk421

    tk421 Member

    Aug 11, 2007
    New York, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This will never happen. I don't believe for a minute the current Cosmos organization has the pull/money to pull this off.

    Its pretty much a joke.
     
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  17. terrier

    terrier Member

    May 31, 2011
    Netherlands
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    No way this gets built. This is really about Seamus O'Brien and Sela Sport playing hardball with MLS - that is to say, floating this turd to threaten Flushing.

    It's clear MLS wants nothing to do with the rotating pack of jokers bankrolling the current Cosmos (though they'd take the name if they could.) Likewise, I can't imagine the Cosmos brain trust actually wants to build in the burbs for $400M (as if they had the money to do that) - what they want is the NYC2 franchise, which MLS shows all signs of freezing them out of.

    The existence of this proposal jeopardizes the ability of MLS to actually spin up NYC2 in a major way, giving ammo to the Flushing Meadows opponents. It's a gambit worthy of Kim Jong Il.
     
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  18. SixKick

    SixKick Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 13, 2000
    Chicago
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
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  19. yellowbismark

    yellowbismark Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If no regular service exists, someone has to pay for it. LIRR isn't obligated to lose money operating trains to MLS games, so the MLS team would probably have to pay for service. I checked and on race days, there are 2 scheduled round trips between Penn and Belmont. I doubt an MLS team would spring for any more service that that, if for any service at all (especially if it cuts in to potential parking revenue).

    The Queens Village LIRR stop (Penn-Hempstead line) is about 0.9 miles from the south parking lot of Belmont. That has a one hour headway on weekends until midnight. Which is incredible (by US standards) to have commuter rail service that late and that frequent on a Saturday night, but if I went to a game I would hate to hoof it about a mile and then potentially have to wait for an hour for a train.
     
  20. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Imagine this:
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    with this:
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  21. El Naranja

    El Naranja Member+

    Sep 5, 2006
    Alief
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Montreal seems to think that being a Series A wannabe will get them anywhere. Toronto...where to begin? I believe I'll just quote Einstein:

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
     
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  22. ji_shuheng

    ji_shuheng Member+

    Mar 26, 2003
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    idioteration?
     
  23. profiled

    profiled Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 7, 2000
    slightly north of a mile high
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Thinking they know better then all the other teams/organizations in the league (bringing in unfamiliar foreign coaches, thinking they're better then the rest of the league, etc).
     
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  24. napolisoccer

    napolisoccer Member

    Feb 20, 2005
    Napoli
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    To change the title : to put Elmont, not NYC....
     
  25. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm convinced their plan is to only play exhibitions against big name teams that want to take a preseason trip to NYC... ;) The only trophies they will contest are the US Open Cup and the World Football Challenge.
     

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