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Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by Orange14, Mar 17, 2020.

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  1. Is he talking about health issues, as no one, not even pro unlocking, has mentioned that.
    Is he talking about the economy?
    Is this just a click bait quote?
     
  2. Brilliant Dutch

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  3. Interesting point from the first link that defies logic and what we noticed in the graphs:
    A JP Morgan study suggests lockdown measures have not only resulted in economic devastation but could have also resulted in more COVID-19 deaths
     
  4. Worrying things:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/22/why-we-might-not-get-a-coronavirus-vaccine

    Why we might not get a coronavirus vaccine
    Politicians have become more cautious about immunisation prospects. They are right to be

    This is why.

    Why might a vaccine fail?
    Earlier this week, England’s deputy chief medical officer Jonathan Van-Tam said the words nobody wanted to hear: “We can’t be sure we will get a vaccine.”
     
  5. Researchers at Oxford University recently analysed blood from recovered Covid-19 patients and found that levels of IgG antibodies – those responsible for longer-lasting immunity – rose steeply in the first month of infection but then began to fall again.
     
  6. Bankrupt despite everybody is free to trave all over the place in the USA.
    The virus influences precorona behaviour and it will not drastically change after letting restrictions drop.
    Italy throws open their borders, but how many tourists are going to take the risk?
    Countries that heavily rely on their service industries like the Netherlands (70%) are in a disadvantage compared to countries that are more manufacturing/agricultural/natural resources oriented.
     
  7. Try to keep the virus at bay with millions of these idiots:
     
  8. With idiots in the millions in the States the only way to protect ourselfs is a travel ban into Europe for everybody who's been in the States less than 4 weeks ago at the moment of entrance.
     
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    Another example of complete imbecility in that it refers to the belief that Bill Gates wants to use the vaccin to chip Americans.
    If you want proof that imbecility is contagious, here it is.
     
  10. Orange14

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    There will be many more. Part of the problem is private equity investors came in to many companies and stripped away all the reserves. The companies compounded all this by share buybacks and dividend payouts that were not sustainable. Once the lockdown started, they didn't have any cash reserves to stay afloat. Airline industry was the biggest example of this and I feel no pity at all for this type of business behavior.

    I was just listening to a program about the hospitality industry while on my walk. He broke the population down into three groups. The first group, young people will go back out as soon as places open. The second group will wait several weeks to see what happens. The third group will wait until there is a vaccine or drug treatment. The third group are the ones who have the most money to spend (people like me). The second group will carefully see what the first group does and if they see reckless behavior at a restaurant or bar (crowding, not wearing masks, and so on) won't go into those places. The expert painted a bleak picture and believes there will be about 40% business failures. This is pretty much my thinking as well and these jobs will take 2-3 years to come back. Meanwhile there will be closings and loss of rents to the building owners.

    It is going to be very ugly.
     
  11. Brilliant Dutch

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    And a lot of this couldve been avoided if we simply followed the Swedish model (which its still not too late to do).

    Trump is right, let those who want to risk it get back to work
     
  12. Brilliant Dutch

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  13. Indeed. I posted in another thread to stay away from companies that had/have share buy back programs and huge debts, as that companies management were busy to leverage profits with loans replacing share capital to pump up profitability and thus their bonuses. Leverage goes both ways, when there's no profit, but losses these companies accelerate their losses.
    This all is part of the fake business education called MBA's after the 90ies that educated greed instead of sound business policies.
     
  14. What part of the just avoided collapse of the health system did you miss?
     
  15. Brilliant Dutch

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    I must have missed the collapse of the health system, maybe??

    The US is now giving away ventilators because they didnt even come close to needing them.
    Also, what happened to this ship?? Oh wait, they didnt need it either.

    Thats some collapse

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  16. Brilliant Dutch

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  17. Didnot you watch tv in the month March in which the daily race to add IC units and ventilators to stay ahead of the covid patients coming in?
    Are you in denial mode or so that you act as if nothing was going on in march over here?
    Did you miss the news about New York and the corpses that went decaying in lorries as the undertakers couldnot cope with number of deaths?

    Pretending nothing is wrong like you've been doing for several posts in a row now in my eyes is an insult to the deaths and more so to the people with lasting handicaps as a result of surviving the virus.

    You still are unable to refute what I posted that the severest hit countries in fact in the beginning did de facto follow the policy of non lock down.
    That did result in disaster in hospitals and the need to go into lockdown.

    You still can't come up with a refute of what I posted.
     
  18. You're not contributing with information we can use.
     
  19. https://nos.nl/nieuwsuur/artikel/23...c-heeft-stollingen-in-longen-of-hersenen.html
    "De onderzoekers vonden bij de meeste patiënten een longembolie. In mindere mate ging het om herseninfarcten, maar ook dat aantal was zeven tot tien keer hoger dan normaal.

    Helemaal opmerkelijk is dat de herseninfarcten ook mensen treffen die voorheen helemaal geen risicofactoren hadden, zoals een hoge bloeddruk, aderverkalking, hoge cholesterol of tabaksverslaving. Ook waren de patiënten met een herseninfarct vrij jong, en dat baart de onderzoekers zorgen."
     
  20. Real help.
    1264324070352531461 is not a valid tweet id
     
  21. Brilliant Dutch

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    LOL.....communism (or extreme socialism) works great :ROFLMAO:
     
  22. If you cannot appreciate the gratitude of people for help in dire times by making a comment that has little or nothing to do with their gesture...
     

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