this is not what is happening in the US. There are a lot young people who are getting very sick and we don't know what the long term health consequnces are of Kawasaki's Disease or the significant number of those presenting with abnormal blood clots. Don't minimize this stuff as you don't know what you are talking about. It's fine for you to adopt a libertarian attitude, but if you have not had COVID-19 you can get it and spread it. The virus can be stopped with a vaccine and controlled when good drugs are discovered. Already patient care in hospitals is changing dramatically in terms of the interventions. You need to be able to control spread of the virus so the hospitals don't get overwhelmed.
If Sweden can control the spread by not shutting down their economy, then why cant we?? Link: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-economic-slump-Sweden-imposing-lockdown.html
You are posting information that simply isnt true. Sweden are doing very well: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-economic-slump-Sweden-imposing-lockdown.html
As I posted the initial response of a number of countries was to ignore the virus, which is akin to adopting the herd philosophy. We all know to what disaster that lead, but still there are people, even those that should know better now, who tell it is okay to let go the virus. What news outlets these people use to still come up with this idiotic action is a big question. Fox perhaps? What we need the most is extensive testing to isolate those who carry the virus.
Lockdown-free Sweden now has Europe's highest Covid-19 death rate their economy is surviving better than ours: Retail sales are UP amid pandemic and GDP took a much smaller hit than UK's To what part are you referring?
While deaths are tragic you dont look at deaths to see if the virus is spreading, you have to look at new infections and Sweden has stayed remarkably stable over the last few months. Link: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
I donot see what you posted: https://www.theguardian.com/world/c...den-coronavirus-strategy-nationalists-britain "But these claims are themselves untrue. The Guardian among others rightly reported the comparatively mild restrictions in Sweden. Nor was it “fake news” when Italian newspaper La Repubblica reported that Swedish doctors could soon be denying respirators to patients over the age of 80, and even those as young as 60 with underlying health conditions. In fact, this is now taking place."
Comparison with the Netherlands of daily new cases. Keep in mind the Netherlands have twice the population and live far more close to each other: Sweden is faring far worse than the Netherlands
Then thats bad management by the Swedes because the US is practically giving respirators away since they have no use for all of them: https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/us-1000-ventilators-south-africa-virus-70632839 But that doesnt change the fact that the Swedish model of not completely locking down is working well for them
How can you claim that while they per million people have twice the new infection rate of us? What also is weird in the Swedish graph is the saw like graph, which indicates their reporting isnot very good.
The Swedish virologist responsible for the strategy may the 8th claimed this in the Fin. Times: "Anders Tegnell, Sweden’s state epidemiologist who devised the no-lockdown approach, estimated that 40 per cent of people in the capital, Stockholm, would be immune to Covid-19 by the end of May, giving the country an advantage against a virus that “we’re going to have to live with for a very long time”. “In the autumn there will be a second wave. Sweden will have a high level of immunity and the number of cases will probably be quite low,” Mr Tegnell told the Financial Times. “But Finland will have a very low level of immunity. Will Finland have to go into a complete lockdown again?” We now know that he's talking shit as the percentage is 7.3% at the moment. So he's basing his lofty prediction of failure in other countries to face the second wave compared to Sweden on a non existent trajectory of herd immunity in Sweden. This guy must be aware of the research results conducted in Sweden, but still produces these interviews. Even confronted with the real data he didnot want to admit his herd philosophy is going down the drain. If one has the choice between advices from people with proven wishfull thinking and the ones that go by the real data I prefer the latter.
Might be due to other factors. I do know Sweden test about 15% more than NL. Thats not really important though, the key indicator is how well they are levelling the curve. If however the curve increases again over the next few months then the Swedish model will be a failure. Time will tell I have no idea what you're trying to say here
Sweden has higher antibody rate (7.3%) than Spain which has a rate of 5%. Spain locked down completely, Sweden didnt: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/21/health/sweden-herd-immunity-coronavirus-intl/index.html
This graph shows spikes up and down, which we donot see in other countries graphs. The graph gives May 15th 651 new cases, 16th down to 358, 17th down to 258, 18th up to 394, 19th up to 578, 20 down to 238. That doesnot make sense and that pattern started end March.
The Swedish dude that is responsible for that herd policy claimed Sweden would have over 40% infected/antibody population mid April. He's wrong al over the place. Edit: He claimed end of May, but still a looooong way from what he and the models he uses predicted.
But thats not the point I'm making. I'm saying that Sweden doesnt have an overall higher infection rate than most other European countries. And they have accomplished this without destroying large parts of their economy PLUS they have a higher antibody rate than many other European countries. Conclusion: there was no need to completely shut down
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/cor...ntract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html Sweden had no lockdown but its economy is expected to suffer just as badly as its European neighbors https://www.ft.com/content/93105160-dcb4-4721-9e58-a7b262cd4b6e From Sweden itself 18th of May: https://www.thelocal.se/20200518/sw...nt-be-enough-to-save-the-economy-experts-warn Why Sweden's lack of lockdown won't be enough to spare the economy
This happens when you strive to keep lockdown a nono: https://www.al.com/news/2020/05/mon...-beds-as-coronavirus-cases-double-in-may.html News Montgomery running out of ICU beds as coronavirus cases double in May Updated May 21, 2020; Posted May 20, 2020 The number of coronavirus cases surged in Montgomery in May 0 shares By Amy Yurkanin | ayurkanin@al.com and Ramsey Archibald | rarchibald@al.com Montgomery hospitals are starting to run low on intensive care beds, said Dr. David Thrasher, a critical care doctor at Montgomery Pulmonary Consultants. The four counties making up the Montgomery metro area have seen a combined 721 new confirmed coronavirus cases since May 4 – an increase of 110 percent.
Sweden are doing a lot better than the UK: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-economic-slump-Sweden-imposing-lockdown.html
Dr. Anthony Fauci says staying closed for too long could cause 'irreparable damage' https://t.co/nPfMD310O1— CNBC (@CNBC) May 22, 2020
I read the article and only the title talks about irreparable damage, but what that constitutes is a mistery. Is he trying to keep the Republicans/the big idiot at peace?