Copa América: USA 2016 [R]

Discussion in 'Copa América Centenario 2016' started by Paul Calixte, May 1, 2014.

  1. Rivaldinho

    Rivaldinho Member

    Jan 26, 2003
    Yes, but not because anyone values the Confederations Cup spot. They want to win the Copa America.
     
  2. Rivaldinho

    Rivaldinho Member

    Jan 26, 2003
    I think there is a good chance that, other than hosts Chile, many national teams will give some of their top players June and July 2015 off, the year after the World Cup, and put more effort towards winning the Copa América Centenario in 2016.
     
  3. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    I think you are wrong.
    The one in Chile will have priority while the 2016 will be the one with "B" teams and "C" teams.
     
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  4. Rivaldinho

    Rivaldinho Member

    Jan 26, 2003
    Why would the 2015 Copa be their priority? You need a better reason than the Confed Cup spot to convince me.
     
  5. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    #30 HomietheClown, May 10, 2014
    Last edited: May 10, 2014
    Many reasons. One of which I mentioned... .. it awards a direct slot into the Confederations Cup.

    But another reason is it's a true South American Cup involving one of the official CONMEBOL members as host. CONMEBOL Prioritizes one of their own Federations over a Cup that is more of a novelty and money maker than anything else in the United States.

    Also, The Olympics will have priority over this cup for some teams that qualify to that.
     
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  6. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    You need better evidence than "resting players" to convince me.
     
  7. Rivaldinho

    Rivaldinho Member

    Jan 26, 2003
    That is a decent point. It will be a big deal for Brazil, but not as much for the other countries. Even so, the Olympic squads won't have many first team players.

    Can you explain why the Confederations Cup is particularly important to South American nations?

    CONMEBOL invited Mexico, Japan and China to the 2015 Copa. How truly South American is that?
    The only country that will have a preference for a Copa hosted in Chile vs. a Copa in the USA, is Chile.
    Would it be surprising if CONMEBOL prioritizes a bigger tournament that is celebrating their centennial?
     
  8. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    #33 HomietheClown, May 10, 2014
    Last edited: May 10, 2014
    1) Well it makes things more complicated when teams have to focus on the Olympics which is a big deal for many Latin american Squads. And it is not just the South American teams...
    ... look at Mexico and the USA that will view the Olympics as very important for their young stars.

    2) The Confederations Cup is important cause it is a preparation for the World Cup in Russia. Gives them a feel on how the environment, climate and other things will be the following year in the World Cup.

    3) You are very delusional if you believe a special Copa America in the USA that is more of a "money grab" would be put on a pedestal by any of the South American Federations. If you have been living under a rock for the last 2 Copa Americas you possibly missed the fact they were held the year after the World Cup and the Teams basically sent their "A" teams. I expect the same for Chile.
    It would be very disrespectful for teams to send Less than their best to a Tournament held in South America when the one in 2016 is just for kicks and giggles and money.
     
  9. Rivaldinho

    Rivaldinho Member

    Jan 26, 2003
    But they aren't the same teams. It's usually a different manager and mostly different players.

    This is FIFA talking point #1 on "Why the Confederations Cup is important." It's not.
     
  10. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    1) Even so. Some of the players twenty three years of age and under(along with three over age players) overlap into the Senior squad pool which can apply for few of these teams in this tournament.
    2)It is a talking point yet also reality.

    And you have yet to provide any evidence that South American Federations would take the USA Copa more seriously than Chile's.
     
  11. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    The 2015 Copa America in Chile was agreed upon about 10 years ago. The 2016 "Copa America" was agreed upon... last week. Bit of a difference there.

    Also, the 2015 Copa America would be the 3rd straight in the every-four-years, the-year-after-the-World-Cup format which started in 2007 and is set in place with a host country all the way to 2023. The 2016 CA is a complete fish out of water.

    It's nice and novel but I'd be extremely surprised if anything but C teams show up.
     
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  12. Rickdog

    Rickdog Member+

    Jun 16, 2010
    Santiago, Chile
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    #37 Rickdog, May 13, 2014
    Last edited: May 13, 2014
    Not so many reasons.
    Actually only one : This joke of a tournament is not called plain and simple as "Copa America", as how the Southamerican championship is called, but "Centennial America Cup", which means that this is only a "one time-special edition" that holds no resemblance to the regular Copa America, and it isn't regarded as the South American Championship. Can perfectly be played with local players or under aged players, which don't regularly play for their "A" teams. And of course doesn't give slots to any other international competition, so it c.

    As a side note, this special edition doesn't cellebrate the 100 years of Copa America, but the forming of CONMEBOL. The South American championship, only started to be called as Copa America since 1975, although it has always had the same trophy, since its second edition played in 1917, as for the first South American championship played in 1916, the"Cup" or "trophy" given to the winner, didn`t exist yet. The trophy, was bought and donated by an Argentine Ambassador, after the first South American Championship had already ended. So by the time the "Centennial Copa America" takes place, the trophy would still have 99 years and therefore wouldn't be cellebrating its 100 years of existence.
    ;)
     
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  13. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
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    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Why would a money grabbing Copa in the USA be a priority?
     
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  14. Blue_nation724

    Blue_nation724 Member+

    Mar 16, 2013
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    El Salvador
    They wouldn't have agreed to it if they didn't plan to bring a team that isn't competitive to say the least.
     
  15. manuel84

    manuel84 Member+

    Oct 16, 2012
    Tatatatamaulipas
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Copa America Chile 2015 = A Teams
    Copa America USA 2016 (experiment) = B or C teams
     
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  16. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Qualifiers kicked off last friday, first phase conclusion tomorrow. In one group Montserrat needs to defeat Bonaire to qualify to next phase (Bonaire qualifies with a draw), while in the other Aruba looks to defeat French Guiana (who needs only a draw).

    Knocked-out of Copa 2016
    US Virgin Islands
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    British Virgin Islands
    Not taking part in qualifiers
    Bahamas
    Bermuda
    Cayman Islands
    Saint Martin
    Sint Maarten
     
  17. HomietheClown

    HomietheClown Member+

    Dusselheim FC 1971
    Sep 4, 2010
    Club:
    --other--
    Never though in a million years I would see these Nations names in a Copa America thread.
    :p
     
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  18. dinamo_zagreb

    dinamo_zagreb Member+

    Jun 27, 2010
    San Jose, CA / Zagreb, Croatia
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Hehe, I saw it in one point in future, but not yet. Montserrat and Aruba out too, Bonaire and French Guiana progressed to next stage (played in September)

    group 3
    Martinique, Barbados, Suriname, Bonaire

    group 4
    Puerto Rico, Grenada, Curacao, French Guiana

    group 5
    Antigua and Barbuda, Dominican Republic, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Anguilla

    group 6
    Saint Kitts and Nevis, Dominica, Guyana, Saint Lucia

    Top two + best third progress


    Knocked-out of Copa 2016
    US Virgin Islands
    Turks and Caicos Islands
    British Virgin Islands
    Montserrat
    Aruba

    Not taking part in qualifiers
    Bahamas
    Bermuda
    Cayman Islands
    Saint Martin
    Sint Maarten
     
  19. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    I didn't know these "countries":rolleyes:
     
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  20. Ed-D

    Ed-D Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 13, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reading through these posts I'm apt to agree that the CONMEBOL teams will send C squads in 2016. Oh well. It's a good idea to bring the two confederations together, ultimately, but this tournament may not do the trick...
     
  21. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Appropriate to the argument about potential squads: with Luis Suárez's ban almost certain to rule him out of the 2015 Copa América, I wouldn't be surprised if he were to go out of his way and lobby his club bosses to let him play in the 2016 edition and make up for lost time.
     
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  22. Guarda-Redes

    Guarda-Redes Member

    Jun 16, 2011
    Canada could qualify as a part of the 2 non-invited CONCACAF teams? I believe there are two and they qualify as follows:

    "The remaining two teams will come from the top four finishers from the 2015 Gold Cup that have yet to be invited, after a playoff involving those four sides."
     
  23. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is correct. As of right now, no one is exactly sure how those four will be determined, but Canada is practically guaranteed to reach the Copa América playoffs by a) making the semifinals in the 2015 Gold Cup, or b) failing that, making the quarterfinals if the US, Mexico, and the Central American and Caribbean champions all take part, leaving the four quarterfinalists not already in the Copa América as obvious choices for the playoffs.
     
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  24. Guarda-Redes

    Guarda-Redes Member

    Jun 16, 2011
    Glad to hear it, our players need something to play for and it certainly would be great and realistic carrot to dangle in front of a young squad who finally has a legitimate coach after that embarrassment in 2013.
     
  25. counterattackredux

    counterattackredux New Member

    Jun 22, 2014
    McKeesport, Penna.
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    First on the stadiums: I think Seattle, Detroit are looking good. I would not be surprised of Houston gets in, too.
    As for the players. The 2016 Olympics are in August. The European season is over by the time of the Copa Am and the exposure level to the big money US Market for the players is sky high. They will be there.

    As for the opportunity for football in the US, the Copa is a Godsend. After the peak of interest in the WC, the norm is to back off to limited coverage and interest in MLS and the overseas leagues. This time, starting with the Gold Cup the interest level stays up, and when Copa comes in it goes into high gear. Once the casual sports fan understands that this is the 'championship' of the New World, with many of the teams and players they recognize from the Brazilian WC, AND its here in their backyard for the first time in a century, they will get fired up.

    And then, a month later, the Olympics back in Brazil. If soccer is not getting consistent ratings at and above College Football, and weekly NFL, something went wrong. That is how big this is getting, starting with this WC.

    So, Klinsmann better deliver. The team better deliver. And it is up to fans in Big Soccer to make it known that we are not expecting a 'good showing' in the Copa, or The Gold Cup, or the Olympics. We expect championships and medals. Nothing else will do.
     

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