by CWC record Mexico-Korea W-D-L 1-1-0 With Korea wining the draw on PK Mexico-Japan W-D-L 0-0-1 (only gamed played in Japan) But if we go by player value, you are correct. Japan valued at 202 Million Euros http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/j-league/startseite/wettbewerb_JAP1.html Korea valued at 130 M Eur (only 16 teams) http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/k-league/startseite/wettbewerb_RSK1.html Mexico valued at 427 Million Eur http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/primera-division-apertura/startseite/wettbewerb_MEXA.html USA valued at 127 M Eur http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/major-league-soccer/startseite/wettbewerb_MLS1.html So if we go by value including Brazil (526 M Eur) 1. Brazil 2. Mexico 3. Japan 4. Korea 5. USA Conpared to European Leagues, Mexico would be 11th (with 18 teams) above Greece (only 16 teams). So over all, Mexico would be the 12th most valuable league (player value) in the world! http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/europa/europa/wettbewerbe.html Of course value does not mean performance, for example Argentina is less valuable than Mexico, but they are a slightly better league. Compare transfer market to UEFA leagues ranking T.M................................UEFA 1. EPL............................EPL 2. Primera ......................Primera 3. Serie A.......................Bundesliga 4. Bundesliga...................Serie A 5. Ligue 1 .......................Ligue 1 6. Super lig (turkey)..........Superliga 7. Premeir (Russia)............Russia 8. Superliga (portugal).......Ukraine 9. Eredivise......................Netherlands 10. Premier (Ukraine) ........Turkey 11. Super league (Greece)..Greece The only one that is way off is Turkey lower 4 spots in UEFA, while Ukraine and Portugal are 2 spots higher than their value would suggest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#Current_ranking
Ceezmad, are you really going to go off and go by the CWC to prove your point? The transfer market has nothing to do with it... it just means some overpay for players.. which in Mexico we are guilty of and in Japan & Korea even more.
What else does he have to go by? I disagree with him that J-league and K-league are on par with Mexico, I consider them to be closer to MLS level. But there isn't a whole lot of results that either side can say to the other SEE MY POINT IS CORRECT.
True that; also players with EU passports will also be more valuable in top European leagues. As long as restrictions to foreign players exist, local players will be over valued, just ask Chivas. But, I do like how the Transfermarkt list, somewhat matches the UEFA ranking. If you look at the Americas and the Conmebol ranking that I have been updating it goes as follow Coefficient in libertadores (updated to results of the group stage). Libertadores results........Treansfermarkt value Brazil.........92.35...........Brazil Argentina...66.016..........Mexico Mexico*.......55.933........Argentina Chile..........55...............Chile Colombia....50.5.............Colombia (129.6 M Eur)** Uruguay.....49.667..........MLS (Designated players rule I guess) Paraguay...45.834..........Uruguay Ecuador.....40.667..........Peru Peru..........38.833......... Venezuela..30.166......... Bolivia.......23.333 ........ * It could be argued that since the 2009 Libertadores Mexico has not sent their top teams to CL, since the 4 cup finalists have to play in the concachampions. http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/suedamerkia/suedamerika/wettbewerbe.html Not all the Americas leagues are in the website, missing Venezuela, Ecuador and Bolivia for South America **Colombia not on top list http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/liga-postobon-i/startseite/wettbewerb_COLP.html The league values are pretty much aligned to coefficient I have been using. (it is hard to quantify how much J and K leagues over pay for talent compared to Mexico)
I tend to agree with you but the fact Necaxa is the only Primera team that managed a third place at the CWC (in 2000!) doesn't reflect good on the league. Pachuca barely managed to secure 5th last year against Al Wahda (and UAE clubs have performed terribly in the AFC CL for years now.)
Well if there isnt many results that can make your statement clear and solid, why even venture and say something like that??? Can i just pull something outta my ass and make a comparison as well? Again, the transfermarket gives you nothing more than what clubs choose to play for their players... it has no value to it... i mean Ecuador isnt even on that list and they pwned everyone in Conmebol for 2 years... dont make claims that you can't back up with solid numbers dude...
I think (mostly by results in the old Pacific cup) that J and K league are better than MLS. That would be a cool replacement for Superliga in my opinion. MLS-J-K-Primera Mex in a tournament I guess January would be the best time, before the Libertadores and the start of the Mexican clausura.
That Necaxa team was a pretty solid team...and also that tournament wasn't really all that serious imo. I agree, but if we really want to make a qualitative study on what league is better and all, you have to have solid numbers...not 3 fkn games. I mean Mazembe beat Inter.. i guess the Linafoot is on par with the Brasileirao
That would not be a good idea for FMF teams...they only have at most 4 weeks to prepare for the Clausura... Not even worth it
1. Well I gave you EUFA rankings closely aligned to the club value on the website, also Libertadores results over 5 years, compared to the club value. Sure the comparation is not perfect, but I am not sure what other data point I could use. 2. Ecuador is not on the list because they (transfermaket website) have not data on the league, Colombia is a new edition, they are not on the top Americas list, but you can drill down and see their valuation. I will point out another mayor flaw in comparing leagues based on Coefficients or value like I just did. Libertadores and Champions league (UEFA league) only take into account the best teams for each country, so if a league (most European) have good top 4-5 teams they will do well in the rankings, even if their other league teams are shit. It is very hard to compare leagues to each other when their teams do not play each other in a regular bases, I have only seen a few J-league games, I have also seem them in the CWC, they play entertaining football, it does not mean it is good football. Based on what I have seen so far, I can say that yes my opinion is wrong. Leagues should probably be ranked as follows: FMF J-league K-league MLS
This is true. Atlante(a small club) of all the mexican teams have come the closest to getting 3rd place in this format being better than their asian opponents in the 90 minutes and losing on pks They had a respectable match vs the best team in the world. Could have gone 2-0 up on Barca in the first 20 minutes
http://www.melbournevictory.net/forum/showthread.php?56495-ACL-coefficient-ranking-2010 Found sometype of ranking on a Australia forum.
I'm not so much comparing leagues as analyzing the Primera's CWC performance the last five years. Five years is not such a small sample and a league that is often mentioned as the best outside UEFA and CONMEBOL simply has to do better. I myself predicted a Mexican club being the first to disrupt the traditional Europe vs. South America final and it ended up being a team from *gasp* DR Congo. Not all can be explained by blaming Pachuca and their spectacular failures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#Results One thing that may be used in Mexico favor is that Mexico has been involved in the 3rd place match 4 times. Korea 2 Japan 2 (all while hosting) By country http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup#Performances_by_country
That should be one. Egypt's Al Ahly has one third place beating Club America in the process. Monterrey definitely has some pressure to perform this year. [EDIT] Oh, you meant appearances for third place. Well, 4th place in a tournament of 7 teams is nothing to really get excited about. PS: to those interested, feel free to drop by the 2011 CWC thread.
According to wiki (yes not the most reliable source) Korea has a 3rd place finish and a 4th place finish. That is 2 matches for 3rd place, winning one in PKs and losing one.
RSL's $2.6M salary cap includes transfer fees as well. We know that there are several hundred thousand of transfer fees for Sabo. So the real salary number is a little over $2M. So if you consider $7M not "that much" of a gap, then you're statement is correct. To me $2M versus $9M is a significant gap, and one that MLS needs to address if they want to be competitive in the region long-term.