Colombianos en Copa Libertadores 2008

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  1. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    BBC's Tim Vickery dedicates his weekly column to Cucuta's terrific form in the Libertadores with great praise for Mac Torres:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/7346061.stm

    There are no big surprises in the last four of Europe's Champions League.

    Cucuta midfielder Matias Urbano celebrates a goal against Mexico's Chivas
    Cucuta's Matias Urbano celebrates a goal against Chivas

    For their size, tradition, recent track record and financial resources, all of the semi-finalists will feel that they are in their rightful place.

    If you're looking for upsets, perhaps South America's Copa Libertadores is a better bet.

    Even the richest clubs are in a constant state of flux, consistently forced to sell their best players, so there is more of a chance for a less traditional team to sneak under the radar and challenge for the title.

    Last year's shock side were Cucuta of Colombia, who in their debut campaign fell only just short of the final.

    This year the shock side is again Cucuta.

    There is one round to go in the group stage, and only five teams have already booked their place in the knockout stages.

    Cucuta are one of them. Once again, they have exceeded all expectations.

    This may appear as a contradiction. How can a side which were such brilliant semi-finalists a year ago have sprung a surprise merely by strolling to the last 16 this time?

    The answer is this: the lack of continuity suffered by the big teams may open the door to the little guys, but these in turn then suffer from exactly the same forces, only at an even greater intensity.

    Success has placed their players in the shop window, they are soon snapped up and the club can find itself right back where it started from.

    Sao Caetano were the remarkable Brazilian side who came from nowhere to reach the final of the 2002 Libertadores, which they only lost on penalties.

    They are now back in their country's second division.

    Earlier this decade, Cucuta were a second division outfit in Colombia playing in front of a couple of hundred spectators.

    They won promotion under Jorge Luis Pinto and went on to claim the Colombian title, and when Pinto left to take over the national team, Jorge Luis Bernal came in with the attacking philosophy that made them so attractive to watch last year.

    But then the team's assets were stripped.

    Captain and goalkeeper Robinson Zapata went to Romania, dangerous Panamanian centre forward Blas Perez moved to Spain, Colombia right-back Ruben Bustos went to Brazil.

    Almost everyone else was snapped up by Colombian clubs with more clout, and when the selling went on this year, coach Bernal resigned in protest, with the Libertadores about to get under way.

    In at the last minute came Pedro Sarmiento - a new man with a new tactical approach.

    Sarmiento was a defensive midfielder in his playing days, and it shows.

    Cucuta's first two group games were both at home, both finished goalless - and as one Colombian pundit observed, the team were attacking while thinking about defending.

    In other words, they were so concerned with not leaving themselves open to the opposition's counter-attack that their own forward play lacked conviction.

    Four home points had been dropped - usually an expensive slip in the Libertadores.

    With more time on the training field, Sarmiento's cautious tactics started to sink in.

    And in Macnelly Torres, the sole surviving star from last year, Sarmiento has a wonderful player around whom to construct his attacking play - though only until the middle of this year, when Torres moves to Chile.

    Torres is an attacking midfielder who is superb at playing the killer pass behind the opposing defence.

    He is the supply line, making the bullets for Argentine striker Mathias Urbano to fire, and as their partnership clicked, Cucuta beat highly fancied Chivas Guadalajara of Mexico home and away - still without conceding a goal - before last week's 4-2 win away to San Jose of Bolivia confirmed their slot in the last 16.

    Can they keep their momentum going through the knockout rounds?

    Their cautious, compact, counter-attacking game will remind many of Once Caldas, the Colombian side who went all the way to the title four years ago.

    Cucuta may not prove able to emulate them, but they have already sprung a surprise by qualifying for the knockout rounds in such comfort.
     
  2. Siempreconlamecha

    Apr 4, 2005
    Seems like a solid critique. I find it impressive that Tim Vickery can write such an accurate account of Cucuta.
     
  3. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Tim knows his stuff. His column is one of my faves on the web, and I am often impressed by his knowledge across the region. His first hand account of the violence in the Cali derby was fantastic.

    He also recently answered some questions on the Colombian NT, praising the new generation coming thru and deeming Falcao a "thoroughbred."
     
  4. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    no dijo nada nuevo
    parece que le tal TIM estubiera leyendo aca, semana tras semana

    nuevo: sprung (was used twice):eek:
     
  5. Siempreconlamecha

    Apr 4, 2005
    Thanks ryu. Subscribed!!

    Though his comment this week on Sherman Cardenas is rather shallow, I think his 'outsider' perspective might be useful in evaluating our footy.

    Efer, relax buddy I'll keep posting here no need to worry.:D

    Anyways, of course this forum is bound to have covered all these areas. Just all the crap you have to sort through to get to the good stuff is at times frustrating.
     
  6. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    ojala que la pelea entre mac T. y mat Urbano no pase a mas y los deje trabajar juntos en copa libertadores. se necesitan los dos para brillar

    buen alegato y bronca con el que terminaron el 1-1 vs america
    urbano tenia un claro pase a dos motilones, incluyendo a mac T. pero prefirio correr hasta la ultima linea y tratar de convertir, fue increpado fuertemente por el 10.
     
  7. MrPaisa

    MrPaisa New Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    Madison, NY
    I really like Vickery's columns, he is one of the most educated westerners in terms of latin american futbol, he always speaks well of teams that deserve it...
     
  8. ryu79

    ryu79 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Oct 17, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Claro que un tipo no va poder cubrir todos los temas discutidos por un foro entero de fanaticos!

    Lo que impresiona de Vickery es que es uno de los poquisimos periodistas que escriben en Ingles que son expertos sobre la region. Vengo siguiendo el futbol en los Estados Unidos hace decadas y quizas un Bretos es el unico otro del medio Ingles que he visto que verdaderamente conocen nuestro futbol y utilizan su conocimiento para informar al resto de la gente que no entiende castellano como nosotros.
     
  9. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    que partido tan desastrozo de Mena del Danubio ayer
    perdido y poco participativo - clasificaron en ese grp los 2 argentinos
     
  10. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    perdieron los del cucuta vs santos
    pero dejo un sabor dulce
    un valor agregado, ver ese 2-1 de casi ultimo minuto.
     
  11. MrPaisa

    MrPaisa New Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    Madison, NY
    si y eliminaron a chivas...muy dulce!
     
  12. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    si la eliminacion del chivas fue lo mas bonito detoda la noche
     
  13. corazonazul

    corazonazul Member

    Jun 29, 2007
    canada
    ahaha, si es uno de los partidos q mas he disfrutado!!!
     
  14. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    hoy le hice una fuerza la HP a Universidad catolica....pero no alcanzo

    mismas razones!:D
     
  15. MrPaisa

    MrPaisa New Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    Madison, NY

    ojala hubieran eliminado a america, que bueno!
     
  16. pepinointer

    pepinointer Member+

    Mar 12, 2007
    Santiago de Compostela
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    atlas puede quedar eliminado ? o ya pasa seguro a segunda ronda?
     
  17. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    boca tiene que ganar por 5 a los venecos (es posible)
    Atlas tiene que perder vs colo-colo, eso si lo dudo, pues los chilenos estan de kulos caidos con la salida del argentino que dirigia el animo de los sorprendentes mapuches.

    FOX prometio dar los 2 juegos por doble pantalla - Ojala los mexies no kagen la idea, como lo hiceron ayer.


    alguien sabe con quien es el posible cruce de Cucuta en la ronda de 16?
     
  18. MrPaisa

    MrPaisa New Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    Madison, NY

    mapuches? I thought they were caciques?
     
  19. BigSoccer Bot

    BigSoccer Bot I am not real.

    Feb 25, 2005
    News: Nacional y Sao Paulo lucharán por el boleto

    El Sao Paulo concentró toda su atención en la Libertadores, en la que necesita vencer para seguir con vida y maquillar así su salida por la puerta de atrás en el torneo local, pero al frente tendrá a un Nacional que también urge de puntos para los octavos de final.

    More...
     
  20. GavoCol

    GavoCol Member

    May 12, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Todavia faltan 5 clasificados que definen la llave, pero es muy probable que al Cucuta le toque nuevamente con el Santos
     
  21. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    Mapuche es el nombre de la tribu de los caciques.
     
  22. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    alguien vio al JC Henao ayer en la bombonera?

    manejo bien su arco...poero no pudo con la tromba de necesitados
     
  23. BigSoccer Bot

    BigSoccer Bot I am not real.

    Feb 25, 2005
    News: Nacional cayó y avanzó en la Libertadores

    Con gol de golpe de cabeza de Alex Silva, el Sao Paulo derrotó 1-0 al Atlético Nacional en el estadio Morumbí. Sin embargo, el Sportivo Luqueño derrotó 4-1 al Audax y el Sao Paulo y el Atlético Nacional avanzaron a la siguiente ronda de la Copa Santander Libertadores.

    More...
     
  24. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    ayer Romana del cienciano termino con roja - doble amarilla
    la primera fue una tonteria: se peleo con un pelao recoge bolas en su apuro por atacar....de resto se vio con mucho protagonismo en su defensa, fisicamente se parece mucho al Rivas del Inter.

    otro que paso de carambola y como ultimo de los 16 fue el Verdeeee- Ojala se refuerze o tome rumbo en el FPC, pues lo que viene es candela.

    el Cucuta quedo cruzado con el Santos de Mao y Kleber!!! Dura prueba, pero mas pensable que el el cruze de a.nal
     
  25. crzdcolombian

    crzdcolombian Member+

    Jul 17, 2006
    Avon,CT
    Club:
    FC Internazionale Milano
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    either way nacional is ********ed, no way they are beating flumiense who only lost their last game because they didnt even care

    unless Ospina comes up huge and saves every single shot then they have no shot, Nacional needs to reenforce big time bring in 2-3 AMCs, and a few actual good strikers

    Cucuta can easily beat Santos, they have already and I have very little hope that either of our teams will make it far tho
     

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