Chris Bergin: San Diego Chivas will follow MLS rules according to Trey Fitz-Gerald

deg2k · Sep 22, 2003

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Fine you prove to me he gives a **** about the league and players other than Mexican for creating the Chivas USA club. All of his press interviews been completely negative towards more american players getting the opportunity to play for a new *american club* which it won't be. I don't know why some of have blinders on concerning this. Your only answer to how it helps is 10 million dollars. 10 million only goes so far in professional sports. We shall see. Tell you what, if what you say comes true including the opportunity for americans(not just mexican americans) to play then I will be HAPPY to post on this board how I was completely wrong about the man however if not then I would respectfully like to see the same response from you.

this thread is dead till the results on this man come in.

Originally posted by Greddy
You asked how it helps american soccer. I gave you an answer.

So what, neither is Seattle, neither is Cleveland, but if somebody is going to get it, someone else is going to be disappointed. And, how does that even come close to justifying your comments that he doesn't give a **** about the league?

But how does that make him RACIST? The FMF is a league awash with foreigners. Chivas uses only mexican players in the hopes of being a source of pride to the mexican people, NOT to spawn hatred of others. It is now the single most identifying characteristic of the club. So, in bringing the name over, it makes sense that this policy would come with it. Who knows, maybe it can be a small source of pride to the mexicans on this side of the bourder as well.

I do agree with you that he does have some things to prove to all MLS fans in general, but I do not believe the things you brought up to be among them.
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diablodelsol · Sep 22, 2003

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Originally posted by Greddy
True, but it's not impossible. I think if they had an only hispanic baseball team, they would at least have a shot at the world series. And an African-American only basketball team(smaller population than hispanics) they could still contend for the championship. While Mexican-americans are a "relatively small subset" compared to white americans, they are a relatively large subset to all others. Once you figure in the % of soccer fans in the mexican communities compared to the % of soccer fans in all american communities it doesn't seem as limiting anymore.
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You do realize that this assumes the other GM's in the league are going to say, "Well, he's Mexican, so therefore I'm not gonna try to pick him up because the goat guy wants all the Mexicans."

pc4th · Sep 22, 2003

Originally posted by deg2k

Well unless he's lying to the press it doesn't sound like he plans to do anything but inject non-American players into the league. Like I said he will have to prove to ALL American fans that his intentions are sincere.
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okay, as Kenn used to say
GIVE ME A LINK. PROVIDE US A LINK to where Vergera says that he will inject non-American players into the league? If i remember correctly, he says he wants Chivas to have a Hispanic-Americans flavor. Last time I check, Hispanic-Amerians are Americans.

kpaulson · Sep 22, 2003

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Originally posted by deg2k
All of his press interviews been completely negative towards more american players getting the opportunity to play for a new *american club* which it won't be.
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If you believe, as some do, that at least some Mexican-Americans are so far outside the usual US circuit for talent-scouting that we're missing out on them, then this new American club will indeed by providing more opportunities for Americans if it finds them.

anderson · Sep 22, 2003

Comments by Vergara and other Chivas officials in print and radio interviews haven't been nearly as consistent or extreme as some of the fretting and hand-wringing here assumes. Vergara and his minions have made a pretty wide variety of comments about how they intend to build and market this team.

There's simply no way to reach a reasonable conclusion at this point about the composition of its roster or its target market. If you really must jump to unwarranted conclusions anyway, at least don't assume the worst scenario in every case.

soccerfan · Sep 22, 2003

Originally posted by pc4th
okay, as Kenn used to say
GIVE ME A LINK. PROVIDE US A LINK to where Vergera says that he will inject non-American players into the league? If i remember correctly, he says he wants Chivas to have a Hispanic-Americans flavor. Last time I check, Hispanic-Amerians are Americans.
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Certainly !!! ...was just thinking of this while watching LA-DCU game, with the expansion each MLS team will have to provide a list of protected players, and the new Chivas will be built from the available players + 3 foreigners and developmental players and so on. Vergera will have to play by the MLS rules, but he can pick a team of all hispanic sounding names if he so desires and MLS has pleanty of them, so why not its very possible that is what he has in mind.

deg2k · Sep 22, 2003

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Don't forget he has to give ALL americans the opportunity not just mexican americans. It's highly likely TI & SI slots will be used. I seem to recall that MLS HQ may raise the SI slots to 4 yes? Oh and I am sure Chivas can find several green card holding players as well living in cali.

Yes can't wait to see the flavor of this team. ;-)

Originally posted by soccerfan
Certainly !!! ...was just thinking of this while watching LA-DCU game, with the expansion each MLS team will have to provide a list of protected players, and the new Chivas will be built from the available players + 3 foreigners and developmental players and so on. Vergera will have to play by the MLS rules, but he can pick a team of all hispanic sounding names if he so desires and MLS has pleanty of them, so why not its very possible that is what he has in mind.
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deg2k · Sep 22, 2003

So you think the club will consist of all Hispanic Americans? Only if he absolutely has no choice then maybe but that would be inconsistant with the makeup of the others MLS clubs which will ignite negative reactions from other fans, press, and possibly some clubs as well.

If you want links then do a GOOGLE search. They are not hard to find. I NEVER said Hispanic-Americans were not Americans.

Originally posted by pc4th
okay, as Kenn used to say
GIVE ME A LINK. PROVIDE US A LINK to where Vergera says that he will inject non-American players into the league? If i remember correctly, he says he wants Chivas to have a Hispanic-Americans flavor. Last time I check, Hispanic-Amerians are Americans.
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MetroStars4Life · Sep 22, 2003

Let's hope Garber will announce San Diego as well tomorrow (in addition to Colorado) and then we'll know for sure.

PaulGascoigne · Sep 22, 2003

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Originally posted by soccerfan
Vergera will have to play by the MLS rules, but he can pick a team of ALL (caps added) hispanic sounding names if he so desires and MLS has pleanty of them, so why not its very possible that is what he has in mind.
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I vaguely remember that the U.S. Government has laws against discriminating on the basis of race, religion, or ethnicity. You must be the 100th bozo who's conveniently forgotten that fact during this debate.

Sorry, but you're not livin' in the real world, dude.

soccerfan · Sep 23, 2003

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Originally posted by PaulGascoigne
I vaguely remember that the U.S. Government has laws against discriminating on the basis of race, religion, or ethnicity. You must be the 100th bozo who's conveniently forgotten that fact during this debate.

Sorry, but you're not livin' in the real world, dude.
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dude you need to wake up and get your head out from under the law books and look around you ,in the Real World . Laws are one thing and facts of life are another. Besides i was just trying to figure out what Vergenas thinking was and never advocating he do that, besides once your an american no one can say *#*#*#*#. Listen if i was lets say polish in a heavely populated polish area i would definetly try my best to get as many polish players on my team, but withing ethical limits of course. One would hope there are still ethics out there and common sense. Like it or not Chivas San Diego will have lots of hispanic players, and as long as they are americans and the club follows MLS rules no one can do *#*#*#*# about it, but you have a right to bitch as much as you like.

uclacarlos · Sep 23, 2003

Originally posted by PaulGascoigne
I vaguely remember that the U.S. Government has laws against discriminating on the basis of race, religion, or ethnicity. You must be the 100th bozo who's conveniently forgotten that fact during this debate.

Sorry, but you're not livin' in the real world, dude.
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Let's return to the "real world", then. In the real world that is soccer in the US, we desperately need to nurture the inner-city in order to expand the talent pool for USMNT. We've minted the suburbs and will continue to do so. But where are the barrio kids?

In the "real world", Telemundo paid 3 times as much $$ as ESPN b/c Latinos actually watch footie, and it doesn't compete w/ 4 other major sports for attention. The fact that Telemundo would spend so much money is indicative of the buying power of a sector of society that is COMPLETELY IGNORED by the Anglophone sports media. The LA Times (which serves as area that is about 35% Mexican) rarely publishes anything about MFL, which makes a significant amount of money from US Latinos. THIS IS THE REASON WHY VERGARA IS COMING, b/c he recognizes the potential of 20 million Mexicans residing in the US plus another 19 million Latinos plus a ton of non-Spanish speaking immigrants that are soccer savvy plus a ton of "Anglos" that are waiting for a top-flight league.

In sum, what Vergara will try to do is bring a brand name that instantly has an appeal amongst a huge group. Many US-Mexicans will instantly HATE Chivas SD. Great! They'll call their family in Mexico and bag on 'em. Oh, and the Mexican press will actually cover this team, which will build MLS's name in Mexico.

Ppl, the world will not come to an end. This is good for US Soccer. This is amazing for the USMNT. The $$ is great for MLS. Remember, this "American" league is LOSING MONEY. What is so bad about a soccer savvy and passionate foreigner trying to help out so that the league can start making everybody money and putting on a top-flight league?