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Discussion in 'Archives: CD Chivas USA' started by Kqql, Oct 16, 2003.
Looks like Chivas USA wants MLS to be it's AA club.
Plain and simple: play by the rules dirtwads.
I hate Chivas, and the idea of Chivas USA. I will not let MLS become Vergara's biznitch.
Because of the vitriol being spewed about Chivas USA (in LA), that's exactly what I want to happen now. It'll be great!
LOL! There seems to be no middle ground on this subject. Either we love it or hate it. Although Garber Baby seems in love with Vergara, I cannot believe all the other MLS ducks will fall in line and dance to the mariachi beat, no matter the lyrics. I could be wrong. The NASL proved that "genius" and "pro soccer owner" weren't synonyms.
I'm not convinced the Chivas USA/San Diego franchise will be a "go" anytime soon. Too many questions to resolve and promises to hold. And, after the PD article (see Cleveland thread), it sounds as if Cleveland isn't as sure as they had us believing either. The way MLS has been backpedaling, groping & stumbling on expansion after all the big talk earlier in the season, they might as well save face and just let Rochester in on a sweetheart deal & be done with it. And I'm a little more than half-serious.
Any one watch the MEX v URU game last night? I think that if Chivas USA ever happens... better get ready for beer bottles, cups, and every other kind of trash to be thrown onto the field. What a disgrace that was...
I agree no class whatsoever from those fans, luckily they are not the type of fans that come out and support the fire.
"I am altering the deal. Pray I don't alter it any further."
Who's driving the bus? Vergara, or MLS? This is very troublesome. Chivas USA is fine, but will have no credibility if they dont play by the same rules as everyone else.
I read through the quote you cited, but I see no reference to MLS being a minor league franchise to the Guadalajara club. I also have read a ton of articles, watched English t.v. (oh wait, they don't mention $hit about soccer), watched Spanish t.v. (gee, where they actually talk about soccer... A LOT), read Anglophone press, read Mexican press, US Latino press...
I have found ZERO references to any such notion. There are a lot cheaper ways to develop a minor league franchise. I see Chivas MLS as another franchise in a growing sports management multinational corporation.
As per Spanish being the language of the team, given the shere number of Spanish speakers in So Cal (approximately 8 million), what's the problem? Spanish has always been a major language, back when it was colonized by the Spanish, administered by Mexico and then yanked away by the US (which promised linguistic, cultural and religious rights in perpetuity).
And honestly, what's wrong w/ marketing to and speaking the language of the #1 consumer group of soccer in this country? In simple terms: soccer is the #5 sport of white bread America, whereas it's the #1 sport amongst Latinos.
Oh please! Separate but equal has been over in the USA long time ago.
Race and language based team is wrong and illegal in the USA.
Every person from any Ethnic background has
a right be on any MLS team. PERIOD!
PLUS, looks like you still have issues with
past historical events.
Re: Re: Chivas USA: Spanish as main Language and LA as #1 Expansion Location.
You do make some decent points carlos, but, I believe you should need to refer to it as anglo america or something that can't be taken as racist instead of white bread if you want to have credibility in your arguement.
Isn't "no discrimination" a US "value"? Ask the NFL about black coaches.
and what do you mean by "yanked away" by the US? It seems like the Spanish language has seeped and invaded more than get yanked away.
the "problem" is that in the United Stated English is the standard language of the country.
If you want to hear them speak in Spanish, watch it on Deportivo or Univision..
Chivas USA: Spanish as main Language
What is "standard" supposed to mean? The US has no official language.
Who cares what language they speak on the field? The worst that will happen is the American players they field will learn a bit of Spanish.
I meant standard, as in the language 98% of things are communicated in our country...
look, people can speak what ever language they want.
What grates on me is the owner being so brazen about what he wants, and shoving stuff like this down our throats...
Actually, I've tried (during varying states of sobriety) to have issues w/ FUTURE historical events, but decided that would be impossible...
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In my part of the country, I hear nor read not one single language 98% of the time.
In LA (and I'm not making this up), I've seen Korean and Chinese merchants fighting IN SPANISH b/c they were trying to get an Egyptian couple into their respective store. somebody called the cops, and the common language was ... Spanish. The cops spoke w/ the merchants and the couple in Spanish. The only thing done in English was the police report.
7 million Latinos will do that to a city...
Boy, LA really seems so cosmopolitan and hip!
As for the police reports in English, keep them coming.
Most Americans speak English as a first language. Many others speak Spanish. I see nothing objectionable about having 1 of 11 MLS teams use Spanish rather than English as the primary language of communication. If Columbus opted to do so that would be silly. But for a team in San Diego? I fail to see what the problem is. Many Spanish-speaking athletes have figured out how to get by in English-speaking team environments. English speaking athletes can figure out how to get by in Spanish-speaking team environments, too.
I understand what you are saying, but that's a disingenuous statement. the spanish speaking athletes who have figured out how to get by on an english speaking team are doing so because they are in an ENGLISH SPEAKING COUNTRY. you name me the place in a SPANISH SPEAKING COUNTRY where the english speaking participants can force the team to speak a different language on the club. in the rest of the soccer world, the language of the land that you are playing in, is what is spoken. netherlands ........ you learn to speak dutch. italy ......... you learn to speak italian. germany ......... you learn to speak german. only in America is the answer to make the americans learn to speak another language. I don't buy that reasoning. it makes our league look mickey mouse that in an american league, the americans don't get the same courtesy as every other team across the world. hell, even David Beckham is learning Spanish at Real Madrid.
Off the top of my head, Atletico Bilbao. All-Basque team in Spain (presumably) all Basque-speaking. Given the separatist movement there, that is far far more contentious than Chivas San Diego. And Bilbao certainly adds a level of intrigue to La Liga that simply does not exist in MLS.
Also, I'm sure there are teams in the former Soviet Union where Russian, rather than the national language, is the language of communication on the team.
I haven't made up my mind on the whole Chivas San Diego, but I don't buy many of the arguments heard here. But I will say from the perspective of a neutral fan that, if they can arrange things in such a way that they aren't simply banning players due to their ancestry, it would certainly add a bit of personality to the collection of cookie-cutter teams that make up the league now.
But we can hope, though. Can't we, Justin? Marone.
I think his point is that if we let Chivas SD speak Spanish, Latinos will start setting off car bombs in downtown LA.
Or that he's hysterical and needs Vagisil. One or the other.
I pretty much agree with what Wheelock says here.
Doesn't sound as if there's anything anyone can do about it, as far as the language and marketing issues go. They're planning to discriminate by language, not ethnicity - which isn't unprecedented. I would think being able to speak Spanish would be a near-necessity if you were going to be hired by the Galaxy, for example.
Which I guess is why they haven't given up on Los Angeles - San Diego is not the place you'd put a Spanish-speaking team. Don't let the map fool you.
As long as MLS makes sure the Galaxy isn't totally screwed over, I'm fine with it. I'm even fine with another Los Angeles team. San Jose can have the Club America fans, Chivas LA can have the goat-fanciers, and the Galaxy can draw from Latino fans who can't stand either team. That's not necessarily a small number.