China wins World War III?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Ludahai, Sep 17, 2003.

  1. Ludahai

    Ludahai New Member

    Jun 22, 2001
    Taichung, Taiwan
    This is an article that is floating on some pro-China boards. Comments?

    War With China

    Charles R. Smith

    Tuesday, Aug. 14, 2001
    On the first day of World War III, the United States lost two-thirds of its military and nearly half its population, yielding superiority to communist China. U.S. orders of the day were of high alert, and there is simply no evading the fact that we were not ready.
    The Chinese rain of missiles on U.S. installations and homeland cities was a military masterpiece. The People's Liberation Army Second Artillery Corp achieved complete surprise, armed only with a small force of more than 300 tactical and 10 strategic missiles.

    Defenseless against the attack, U.S. forces in Hawaii, Alaska, South Korea and Japan were quickly overwhelmed by the guided warheads of the Chinese missiles. The bombs plunged out of the inky blackness of space, striking within seconds of each other. The rain of death fell swiftly upon a sleeping America with precise and devastating accuracy.

    In a span of little more than 30 minutes, China wiped out Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, San Diego, Chicago, Washington, Boston, New York, Hawaii, Manila, Seoul, Taipei and Tokyo.

    China sank five U.S. carriers, seven Ohio class submarines, vaporized more than 200 MX and Minuteman missiles and destroyed more than 800 combat aircraft including 15 B-2 strategic bombers. The strikes also killed more than 100 million people without the loss of a single PLA soldier.

    The Second Artillery succeeded by striking key U.S. bases, warships and air fields with a swift and bold attack. The attack left China with 10 remaining strategic missiles and nearly 300 tactical missiles, holding the devastated U.S. homeland hostage to another strike.

    Despite the calls to retaliate, sending the scattered remains of U.S. nuclear forces against China would not stop another attack on America, nor would it stop the PLA Generals who ordered the first.

    There is no question that the U.S. strategic missiles could devastate the Chinese homeland. However, killing hundreds of millions of innocent Chinese citizens would do little to deter the warlords in Beijing from launching the second wave of 10 missiles while remaining hidden inside bomb-proof tunnels.

    China's sudden and brutal attack forced America to surrender on Beijing's terms. In little more than 48 hours, China won World War III.

    No U.S. Defense Against Attack

    Fiction? Then consider this fact: The United States has no defense against a missile attack. The U.S. has NO missile defense and is only testing a limited system that might stop one or two missiles.

    Those who minimize the Chinese strategic forces frequently state that China has only 20 missiles. These people are fools playing games with the lives of millions of innocent humans. They fail to mention that each Chinese strategic missile is tipped with a multi-megaton H-bomb that can vaporize a city.

    In the previous scenario, Chinese forces used only half their current strategic and tactical missiles in a single attack, turning 10 of the top U.S. cities and most of free Asia into charred, radioactive wastelands.

    China apologists also question whether Beijing is willing to wage war against America. However, the Chinese military makes it very clear it wants nuclear combat with the U.S.A.

    According to an August 1999 policy document published by the People's Liberation Army Office of the Central Military Command, "unlike Iraq and Yugoslavia, China is not only a big country, but also possesses a nuclear arsenal that has long since been incorporated into state warfare system and play a real role in our national defense."

    "In comparison with the U.S. nuclear arsenal, our disadvantage is mainly numeric, which in real wars the qualitative gap will be reflected only as different requirement of strategic theory," states the PLA military document.

    "In terms of deterrence, there is not any difference in practical value. So far we have built up the capability for the second and third nuclear strikes and are fairly confident in fighting a nuclear war. The PCC [communist Party Central Committee] has decided to pass though formal channels this message to the top leaders in the U.S."

    China also has recently tested a new long-range missile capable of reaching America, the DF-31. The DF-31 is capable of delivering a single multi-megaton H-bomb or up to three 90-kiloton nuclear bombs. The most recent DF-31 test took place earlier this year, and some Pentagon analysts expect the PLA Second Artillery will begin active deployment of DF-31 units early next year.

    1,000 Nuclear Missiles by 2006

    Clearly, China apologists must seriously consider the growing capability of Beijing's nuclear missile forces, including the tremendous buildup of short-range tactical missiles. China continues to deploy short-range "Dong Feng" or "East Wind" missiles. China has a force of nearly 500 DF-15 and DF-11 mobile tactical missiles and at the current rate of production will have more than 1,000 missiles by 2006.

    The Soviet Union and the U.S. considered the short-range tactical missile to be the most dangerous threat to peace because of its short flight time. Despite the tension between Moscow and Washington, both sides agreed to withdraw and ban the weapons. The Soviet SS-20 Saber and U.S. Pershing missiles were dismantled and destroyed.

    It is worth noting that each Chinese DF-15 tactical missile has a flight time of less than four minutes, from launch to impact. Today, China dominates the tactical nuclear missile category and frequently demonstrates that fact. In 1996, China dropped dummy DF-15 warheads just off Taiwan's coastline.

    Illegal Missile Exports to Pakistan

    Nor are Chinese missiles limited strictly to China. According to documents obtained from the Clinton administration, China sold Pakistan 34 nuclear-tipped DF-11 missiles in 1992. The DF-11 missiles, exported as the M-11, are based at Sargodha air force base, west of Lahore, next to the Pakistani plutonium reactor at Khushab.

    In August 1994, Ron Brown wrote a briefing document for Bernard Schwartz, CEO of Loral. That document is one of many from the withheld files of Ron Brown obtained by this author using the Freedom of Information Act. The document is a pre-China briefing report prepared for Loral CEO Bernard Schwartz in August 1994 by Commerce and is titled "Background Information".

    "EXPORT CONTROLS. Last August [1993], the U.S. imposed sanctions on China for an M-11 missile-related transfer to Pakistan. On January 7, 1994 it was decided that although communications satellites licensed by the State Department are covered by the sanctions law, export licenses for communications satellites licensed by the Department of Commerce may be approved. Two such export licenses for communications satellites were recently approved by the Department of Commerce."

    Rewarding Illegal Exports

    Then-President Bill Clinton gave China a vast array of missile technology with the stroke of his pen despite the illegal DF-11 exports to Pakistan. The Chinese military obtained encrypted radiation hardened chips from Loral, post-boost vehicle technology from Lockheed, telemetry systems from Motorola and nose cone technology from Hughes. The Chinese generals made huge profits from the advanced rocket and satellite deals with America.

    One of the main reasons why China continues to violate arms export treaties is because many of the Chinese leaders who signed the treaties also have a vested interest to break them. The Chinese generals that do the official arms negotiating also happen to own the same munitions factories that sell DF-11 missiles to Pakistan.

    China is no longer a backward communist nation but a modern nuclear-armed fascist state, more closely resembling Francisco Franco's Spain with the bomb. Ownership is legal to a limited few. China has no conflict-of-interest laws. You can be a Chinese general, the rich owner of a major arms company and an arms control minister in the Chinese government all at the same time.

    In 2001, Chinese DF-11 missile parts were spotted by satellite entering Pakistan. The violation should invoke economic and political sanctions according to MTCR missile treaties signed by Beijing. However, much like Loral's Bernard Schwartz in 1994, U.S. satellite makers are again anxious to restart exports to China by 2002.

    No Calls for Sanctions

    So far, there have been no calls from the White House or Congress to invoke sanctions against Beijing for violating the missile export treaties. None of the U.S. European allies, so outraged at American anti-missile tests, have uttered a word about Beijing's nuclear missile exports to Pakistan.

    One way to slow the illegal sales from Beijing is to use the provisions in the MTCR treaties and invoke sanctions. The first and most useful signal that Washington could issue to Beijing is a firm "no" on the sale of U.S. satellites.

    Another way to prevent World War III is to for America to build an anti-missile system as quickly as possible. The question of whether it will work may never be answered. However, a weapon never used in combat can be a success if only because it made victory in battle an uncertain verdict for dictators and tyrants.
     
  2. CrewDust

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    No chance in hell. China can't afford to build the systems w/o bankrupting their economy. Besides you have to destroy the missles in ND and the Ballistic missle subs. Guess what, China still only has a brown water fleet, not the fleet capable of defeating the US Navy. And getting Russian help won't make a damn difference.
     
  3. Richth76

    Richth76 New Member

    Jul 22, 1999
    Washington, D.C.
    In WWII one of the reasons the Germans tried to conquer Europe was becuase following WWI they were cut out of foreign trade. They lost their colonies, no one wanted to trade with them etc.

    To quickly get to my point, if China attacks, and especially nukes the US, who the *#*#*#*# is going to buy the tvs, computers, and in the future cars that will be produced there? Come on, it's like a crack dealer going on a shooting spree in a crack house.
     
  4. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less

    Rich, you took the words right out of my mouth. Why on Earth would China attack us? They need us to buy they their stuff.
     
  5. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
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    Jan 11, 2002
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    The reason why the Nazi's wen't beyond what happened in WWI was the reason why they lost. The British blockade effectivly cut Germany off from resources in other countries. Their push into Denmark and Norway was to prevent that from occuring again.

    In the China case, the Chinese would be more willing to try and put a strangle on both Korea and Japan. This is where the highly contested Spratly Islands come into play.
     
  6. Mefisto

    Mefisto Member

    Feb 13, 2002
    Århus, Denmark
    dont take chinese fortune cookies too serious!
     
  7. argentine soccer fan

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    However, they neglected to destroy Buenos Aires, and it proved a fatal mistake. In the span of another 30 minutes, Argentina wiped out Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Shenyang, Hong Kong, Harbin, and Tianjin. Within hours, Argentina ruled the world. And we all lived happily ever after, until about 30 years later everybody died from a heart attack due to high colesterol caused by eating too much beef.

    The End.
     
  8. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
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    The day that countries like India, Brazil and China will be telling the US that they can go phuck themselves or take a swing if they dare is coming closer.

    I think that will be a good thing for this planet in the long run. But you never know.
     
  9. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    I bet this must be coming from Washington Times.

    I think the US can win a high tech no-human-contact war (nukes, air-raids,etc.) with China. In other words, bomb the *#*#*#*#*# out of them. (why do we do that?)

    But anything involves ground troops, you can forget about it - how many 87 billion do you have?

    Yet war is won by ground troops, or by Hollywood or the Back-street-boys.

    Bill Gertz is crazy.
     
  10. Richth76

    Richth76 New Member

    Jul 22, 1999
    Washington, D.C.
    I don't disagree with why the NAZI's lost, but the cause of WWI was the worldwide depression that occurred in the '30s. Following the Treaty of Versailles the Germans lost what colonies they had (back then those were your international trading partners) and were economically screwed. Hilter used this to push his nationalistic agenda.
     
  11. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    Does Charles R. Smith know anything about China? What a stupid statement.

    I say China is a brutal oppressive capitalisitc US Republican state under the cover of communist; a dream land for the US Republicans.
     
  12. Richth76

    Richth76 New Member

    Jul 22, 1999
    Washington, D.C.
    In the 21st Century those countries, specifically China, will dominate economically. The Chinese are well on there way economically and won't need to use force against the U.S. becuase we will in effect be partners. Fundamentalism on all sides Muslim/Christian/Jew is the only thing that is stopping us from having a completely safe world economy. I hope to see a world that is tied together by the mighty dollar rather than subdued at the end of an M16. But that's just my WTO loving opinion.
     
  13. argentine soccer fan

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    Re: Re: China wins World War III?

    Except for the fact that Chinese officials love to get drunk and have sex with young mistresses. They would make excellent democrats.:D
     
  14. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    Re: Re: Re: China wins World War III?

    Who would have the money to get drunk and have sex with young whores? Filthy rich Republicans.

    Democrats can only do that when they are in power - taking advantage of taxpayers' money. But at least they are working for their benefits.
     
  15. Blitzz Boy

    Blitzz Boy Member

    Apr 4, 2002
    The West Side
    Bombing California & sinking it into the ocean has a good side. No more Recall threads. No more San Jose Earthquakes. You'll be able to go surfing right after going to a breakfast buffet in Vegas.

    But, like the previous posters mentioned above, the PLA's biggest client Walmart brings in most of their prison labor manufactured goods through Long Beach & San Pedro; so it ain't gonna happen.
     
  16. Belgian guy

    Belgian guy Member+

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    Re: Re: Re: China wins World War III?

    And Republicans don't?
     
  17. ruudboy

    ruudboy New Member

    Jul 6, 2000
    Sunnyvale
    They sure would be killing a lot of their own folks bombing the Westcoast especially California.
     
  18. verybdog

    verybdog New Member

    Jun 29, 2001
    Houyhnhnms
    I think you are right. All of these rich owners of a major arms company and arms control ministers in the Chinese government are living in California, I suspect. They will never give out orders to fire the missiles this way.

    So instead of spending big bucks building the space defense system, we should print and issue green cards for all of these military officers and their families in Russia, China, India, Iran, Iraq, Aghanistan...Yes, the North Korea!

    The result is - a true world peace.
     
  19. DoyleG

    DoyleG Moderator
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    The colonies Germany had were too few, distant, and viable for Germany. The Germans put more into those colonies than what they ever expected to get out of them. Ther German presence in most colonies was either minor or even non-existant.
     
  20. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: China wins World War III?

    I wouldn't know. But I do, and I tend to be conservative, although I am registered as an independent.
     
  21. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    The military gap between the US and the rest of the world is widening, not narrowing, altho countries like China did some catching up in the 90s.

    Anyway, why would India (or Brazil for that matter, but especially India) "take a swing" at us? In the very near future, the US' most important allies (not closest and most trusted, which will still be the UK and Australia, but most important) will be India and Russia.
     
  22. Father Ted

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: China wins World War III?

    Well, they just don't get caught doing it unlike them dems.
     
  23. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
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    Pro-China boards embrace the idea that their country is monstrous enough to kill a hundred million civilians?

    Damn, I'd hate to see the anti-China boards.
     
  24. AFCA

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    The economies of these nations will grow. That will mean better weaponing. There is strength in numbers in the end...

    Why would India and Russia be the US's biggest allies? You're Pakistan's ally atm and I don't see any reaso for the Indians to look for a friend in the US.

    I'd sooner think China, India and Russia become friends and form some sort of front against US/UK/etc.

    I didn't say they will take a swing. But they won't put up with US BS because they won't have to.
     
  25. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    AFCA waxing vicariously. You'd like them to tell us to phck ourselves because Europe, including your pissant little country (which I love because my ancestors were Dutch), won't.

    Point 2 - isn't the Netherlands part of NATO? You'll be at war with China too.
     

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