Chester Stadium Planning (Philly-Trade Magazine)

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  1. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
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    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Being in the construction business I get copies of the Philadelphia Construction News. Under the "Planning" section was this ad today.

    Can we get excited now?

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    Sorry for the bad scan, but I was REALLY excited. (actually if you right click and "view image" it's a little better).

    The main points (in case you can't read them)

    * Drawings are complete
    * Bidding possibly 4th Quarter of 2008
    * 20,000 - 30,000 seats
    * Owner is listed as Major League Soccer
    * Value is $100 million
     
  2. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
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    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Stadium Bid Advertised

    wow, great find. rep headed your way.
     
  3. KaptPowers

    KaptPowers Member

    Dec 29, 2003
    Arlington, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Stadium Bid Advertised

    American soccer fans are amazing in the lengths they go to find things out. Good snag!
     
  4. JamesTaylor

    JamesTaylor BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2007
    Wilmington, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    Ditto on the rep. NICE!!!

    I'm slightly more hopeful now.:)

    I'd love to see those schematic drawings...
     
  5. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    Nice find.

    Some tidbits I picked up.

    "Bidding possible 4th Quarter 2008"
    "End Date: 2010"

    and most interesting:
    "Owner: Major League Soccer"
     
  6. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
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    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)


    Main points to me are bidding a year from now, I would think they'd accept bids in the fourth quarter of this year if the bill passes.

    Dan Courtemanche is the league contact, not Tom Kourtamunch

    Is this subterfuge by someone not with the project? How reliable are the RFQ's in the News you get?

    I'm trying to find reasons to lower my hopes.
     
  7. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
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    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    It's a VERY reliable source for bids and such. I would say they wouldn't print it unless they were certain it was going to happen. As soon as they print these the Engineers/Architects/Owners start getting calls from the GC's right away.

    They will print a retraction/cancellation if it doesn't happen, but I would say the fact that this got put into a very reliable (and expensive) construction news journal means that positive things are on the way.
     
  8. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    Celt1997, what exactly does this mean? That MLS/Chester investors are trying find a builder for the stadium? Or is like getting a price quote from the builders so that they can show it to the State Assembly?

    Where on the timeline does this publication put the stadium project?
     
  9. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
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    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    Hmmm...still there are things that don't add up. A bid process that doesn't begin until 4Q08 being the major one, I would think they'd want to nail that down even if they have a years worth of site rehab to do before handing it over.
     
  10. Onion41

    Onion41 Member

    Jun 13, 2007
    The Glass Factory
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    sounds promising
     
  11. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
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    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    Basically the journal lists all of the bids according to their bid date. They also have an area called "planning news." These are advertisements to put all of the GC's and their subs on alert for larger projects that have a bid date that is further away. It gives all of them time to get the plans and get pricing from all of their subs (the various "Divisions" in the ad).

    For a stadium project of this size the number of people who have to be organized prior to the bid is enormous! Citizens Bank Park was advertised in a similar fashion prior to the actual bid date being announced.

    If you were the owner of a contracting business, basically you could call MLS and request a copy of the schematics. They're probably costly, but with this ad they are making them available to interested parties.

    The $100 million value is only an estimate. The actual price of the final stadium will be based on the competitive bidding process.

    Make no mistake, though, this is important news.

    ETA: Actually this won't be a public bid. I noticed the Contractors are by invite only for bidding. So, basically, the MLS knows who they want to build the stadium. I have a feeling, though, that this ad is for the "invited" GC's to get in touch with the local sub-contractors.
     
  12. supersoft

    supersoft Member

    May 3, 2002
    Baltimore
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    That doesn't make sense. It's an RFQ = Request for Qualifications. Let MLS know if you're a firm in the Philly area that can handle this kind of project, what you've done that's similar, and if you'll have capacity in say late 2008. You could definitely have a large RFQ and not follow up with an RFP or private bidding.
     
  13. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
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    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    I'm not sure where you're getting that it's an RFQ. I didn't put that in my title (it was edited by a mod).
     
  14. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
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    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    Should it be RFP? I edited it to RFQ (Request for Quotation)...my bad
     
  15. bouncingsoul44

    bouncingsoul44 New Member

    Jun 10, 2007
    Philadelphia, PA
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFP Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    This looks like the most promising piece of news in a long time. Sounds like they are starting to make the construction definite, and that's a load better than the news which is never truly definite.

    Bidding by the fourth quarter of 2008 suprises me too, I thought it would begin by the end of this year and be finished hopefully by the 2009 season. Oh well, I can wait as long as we get a team.
     
  16. OKTerrific

    OKTerrific Member

    Sep 10, 2005
    The River End
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFP Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    This is amazing.
     
  17. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
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    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    At this point, maybe just leave it at Chester Stadium Planning for now. Until they clarify it with an actual bid date at the very least.
     
  18. Z010 Union

    Z010 Union Moderator
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    Mar 28, 2002
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)


    Thanks J, I will change it. So much for me trying to make a descriptive title :eek:
     
  19. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
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    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    I just changed it from "RFP" to "proposal". Sound vague enough?
     
  20. supersoft

    supersoft Member

    May 3, 2002
    Baltimore
    Re: Chester Stadium RFP Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    Huh. Apologies then, it did say RFQ. It seems like if it were an RFQ (coming from MLS HQ) with private bidding to follow after it was clear there could be competition (and maybe after a league announcement or state action) then it would make perfect sense. An RFQ could demonstrate a final checklist item to the league before making the expansion award for Philly.

    But if this is only for invited GCs then why are they announcing it publicly? You call MLS to lobby then get an official invite? You ask GCs to do a ton of work without it being clear that there's a project?

    And the Courtemanche name thing is bizarre.
     
  21. ryebreadraz

    ryebreadraz New Member

    Apr 18, 2007
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Chester Stadium RFQ Advertised in Trade Magazine (Philly)

    repped. as the #4 TV market in the country its nice to see Philly finally get going on this stadium news and get a team in the city.
     
  22. JamesTaylor

    JamesTaylor BigSoccer Supporter

    May 26, 2007
    Wilmington, DE
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Needless comment of the day"

    Keep your eyes peeled for more annoucements about the projects!

    I did some looking online and couldn't find any more info...
     
  23. celt1997

    celt1997 Moderator
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    Jan 31, 2006
    Philly Burbs
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I'm definitely going to keep my eyes peeled over the next few weeks on this. I'll see if they print any further clarifications. Unfortunately with things that are this far off, they tend to show up once or twice under "planning" and then disappear until bid time gets closer.

    Interesting about the private vs. public thing. I think it will be privatized for the GC's that get to bid, but I think they wanted to advertise it publicly for all of the local subcontractors to be aware. One of our clients is an electrical contractor and they got pegged for some of the Citizens Bank Park work, so I'm sure that's why the public announcement was made.
     
  24. CrazyUnionBox

    CrazyUnionBox Member

    Mar 14, 2007
    137 Seat 1
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    HMMM...

    (Mr. Obvious says...)
    Things are progressing nicely.


    I am truely getting excited... the negadelphian in me just won't let me get over anxious.
     
  25. eccseth

    eccseth Member

    Mar 4, 2007
    Lansdale, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is good news. Trying not to get my hopes up too much yet, but its becoming harder to.
     

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