make your argument then. I haven't called him the best left winger in the world. But given the state of wingers these days, who do you think is better?
Brazil I think would win purely because they've got so much quality in defence. They have that mentality of ' you score four, we'll score five'. And Chelsea's attack is not as good as Brazil's. In saying that, Brazil's defence isn't as good as Chelsea's. But I think the attacking mentality would win in a match like that.
This would be a very close match. Brazil would win, but only if the magical (and moody) quartet of Ronaldinho, Adriano, Big Ron, and Robinho troubled themselves to make the effort. These four mail it in too often for my taste. Kaka is the only one of the bunch that I admire without any qualification. He's an individual player, but he always plays with heart, always works for the team. He has the same spirit as the player from '70 did IMO.
He is for Holland - he plays better for you than he does for Chelsea. He mails in too many games for us.
Then again, we use him properly. You cannot give a winger as little usefull balls as he is getting at Chelsea and expect him to score or create goal after goal. At Chelsea Robben is too much used as a counterstriker, which nullifies one of his strongest points: his crosses.
Zambrotta. robben is overrated. like you said, its more the state of wingers today then robben. hes good but hes nowhere near great like giggs were for example.
hes as much a winger as robben is. hes just playing full back now because we have Nedved and Camoranesi.
No he is not. He is a fullback. When has he ever played as an out and out winger? Hell, he's even played as a DM for Italy. Zambrotta is not a winger. And has a pure winger he's inferior to Robben. He has less acceleration, less finishing ability and is not a great dribbler.
Zambrotta's been a full-back for two seasons now, at least, and before that he was in midfielder, but not IIRC as a pure winger. Relative to other FBs, he's a great attacking threat, as he can cross superbly, is fast, a good dribbler, and also a strong defender. But yeah, I agree with nice. If he was a pure winger he wouldn't be among the best, certainly not with Robben. The key to Zambrotta is that he's a top defender, but an attacking threat, not that he chips in with goals as an FB.
As I recall, he was playing as more of a DM for Italy when he was sent off against Holland in Euro2K.
Yeah. Zoff used a 3-5-2, with two wing-backs (Maldini and Pessotto), three CBs (Iuliano, Nesta, Cannavaro), and a three man midfield with Fiore as play-maker, and Di Biago and Zambrotta as defensive mids. In the Holland game Zambrotta was getting burned by Van Zenden (sp?) and twice came in very late. I remember that very well--he was sent off well before half-time, I think. Come a long way though.
Zambrotta isnt a winger. Chelsea vs Brazil - Brazil dominate, create loads of chances, Chelsea win in the last few minutes with a Terry header from a set peice and a Lampard deflection.
Yeah, he was gone by the 34th minute allowing Nesta and Toldo to have two fo the greatest games by players in their position I've ever seen. Bolo Zenden did a number on Zambrotta, which is funny, because he's never been nearly as good since. Lazio almost bought him - he was apparently about to board a plane to Rome before choosing Barcelona.
Toldo, too, suffered a bit of a decline after that tournament. He may be Fiorentina's greatest ever 'keeper, but as soon as he was sold to Inter--well, you know what happens when players go to Inter.
The last time Zambrotta played on the wing was when he played with Bari. At Bari, coach Fascetti employed him as a left midfielder. He also played left midfield in a couple Euro 2000 qualifiers, but as you said, during the tournament he was more of a DM.
i thought we were talking about Juventus. so if holland use robben differently then chelsea, thats what matters? he played right wing for Juve his first two seasons, and does that from time to time today, either right or left, when we have injury problems. he never plays dm for us.
No, we were talking about Zambrotta. No, he's a winger for both. I never said he played DM for Juve. And he was a midfielder at Juve, not a winger. He's certainly not a winger now, he's a fullback. He was never great as a midfielder, and is only highly rated at the fullback position. You seem to be the only one who's having issue with this.
I really wish Inter would get their act together - I don't particularly care for them, but they're the only team at the moment that really has the resources to challenge Juve and Milan for the Scudetto (Fiorentina arguably has the money but not the squad; they're still a year or two off).
roma scares me more then inter right now. ive said all along that once theyre healthy theyll be terribly good. theyll win the league before inter does if you ask me. not this year though.
Yes - I gave them right after I said what you quoted. "Injuries happen, fatigue on the players..." Chelsea have a very big squad of talented players. They have players that can fit into different formations or goals that Mourinho has in mind - almost like perfect pieces to a puzzle. If one player is out, they have another that can step right in usually without having to drastically change their approach. Keeping that in mind, one of the big differences between the National teams and the Club teams is the roster sizes and the amount of matches that are played. If Brasil was a Champions League playing club expected to participate in 55-60 or more high level matches, it's highly unlikely that their top players wouldn't suffer burn-out if they participated in every match... from club and then national team. Maybe they would be able to make it through it, maybe not. But I think it's fair to say that you need a bigger team if you're one of the top level clubs that aspire to do well and participate in the later levels of the Champions League, domestic league and domestic or maybe even international cup competitions. I suppose there is a hole to this - that being... if the Brazilian national team is a club team, would those players then be at risk, similar to Chelsea players, of being called into the "national team"? But that goes back into how you want to define this debate.