Changes need to be made in MLS

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by josomebody, Nov 7, 2004.

  1. josomebody

    josomebody New Member

    Nov 6, 2004
    There are many things that need to be changed in MLS. Here's a couple of my ideas. First, there needs to be cash incentives for individual clubs for winning certain honors. For example, for winning the Lamar U.S. Open Cup, Chicago should recieve a certain cash prize for that individual club to spend on its players, staff, expenses, etc. This would give the players something to work for other than just for pride. They would directly be influencing their paychecks, something that they can't do now since no bonuses go to MLS Cup winners, etc. Also MLS needs to give more independence to individual teams so that they can operate more like an separate club like in Europe. These are just some of my ideas, what are yours?
  2. KCWiz

    KCWiz New Member

    May 8, 2003
    Manhattan, Kansas
    We can't have monetary rewards without true individual teams. When we reach that point of individuality, I will be all for monetary rewards.
  3. SankaCofie

    SankaCofie Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    ha! dammit Garber would you quit making new screenames for these threads! just use one!
  4. ChrisE

    ChrisE Member

    Jul 1, 2002
    Nat'l Team:
    American Samoa
    Absolutely. I'd like to see Dallas rewarded for winning the Supporters' Shield as well.
  5. swedcrip34

    swedcrip34 New Member

    Mar 17, 2004
    Here's my proposal. 100 posts until a user can start a new thread.
  6. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not a bad idea (though 50 posts might be more reasonable). Why not bring this up over in the Suggestions & Announcements forum?
  7. Wizardman03

    Wizardman03 Member

    Nov 10, 2003
    Kansas City
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The MLS needs to move the championship from sunday. Going up against NFL is rediculous when trying to create an audience. Most bars in america probably wont even show it let alone on a small tv in the bar. The MLS really needs to consider moving this to either saturday even though there is college games or friday where there is no real competition. Only the nba ,eventually hockey and one or two college games would be on. If they could get a national broadcast on abc on a friday i would believe they would get higher ratings than they would on sunday against the nfl.
  8. Wile Coyote

    Wile Coyote Red Card

    Sep 21, 2000
    Punta del Este, Uru.
    Club Nacional de Football
    I think moving the championship game to a date or day that there is no other sports game is fine but if you really think about it do you really thing those out of shape bush voting redneck bible lovers that watch the college grid iron games really care about OUR FOOTBALL??? or those hard core fat NFL fans care about MLS??

    I think giving the teams more freedom and more independence will come some day when the league is on solid ground with each team with its own stadium..then MLS can become free in every sence..but for now the league is run the way it is run inorder to to really give it a future MLS has 3 stadiums now.. and they are heading in the right guys and gals may not like the single entity now but the league does this in hope that they will be celebrating 100 years of MLS way down the road when all of us will be in the after life...
  9. Sempuukyaku

    Sempuukyaku Member+

    Apr 30, 2002
    Seattle, WA
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Haha, good post man :)

    Rep for you!
  10. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
    the LBC
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I tell you that I am shocked, SHOCKED, that you have negative rep...
  11. bbsbt

    bbsbt Member+

    Feb 26, 2003
    Of course I do... you silly coyote.
  12. MRschizoid21

    MRschizoid21 Member

    Nov 5, 2004
    Brooklyn, NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Only change should be stopping (or forcing) road teams to wear all white. White shirts, ok, but not all-white.
  13. tsink

    tsink New Member

    Nov 3, 2004
    Arlington, VA
    This post is just the type of arrogance that turns off many readers of these forums. The number of posts that someone makes does not make the smarter or better informed. For instance, an idiot who poast 5,000 times on BS is still an idiot. Unfortunately, he is an idiot who has subjected others to his opinions 5,000 times. The original point of this thread was that the poster wishes there were financial incentives for team accomplishments in MLS. He is right. The league wold be better with such incentives. Is it realistic at this point with SSS and a slowly expanding revenue base. Probably not, although its time will come somewhere sown the road, and porbably within the next 5-8 years.
  14. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Chicago Fire
    It doesn't seem to turn off enough of them.


    Totally true. However, said idiot usually quits making the mistake that he or she has new ideas that no one has ever heard before, and may even have developed a track record of listening to converstations and debates before starting threads on them.

    It would be nice if the original poster had a sufficient grasp of reality to realize, like you do, that these changes aren't occuring just yet not because MLS is in the hands of people stupider than he is, but because the money isn't available at this point.

    Oh, I think his post would've had a bit more of a chance of being taken seriously if 1) Chicago actually won the US Open Cup this year or 2) he'd said "KC Wizards" instead of Chicago.

    Welcome to bigsoccer, tsink.
  15. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wish the European leagues would fix their problems first. Anyone see the "highlights" of the Istres-Nice game last week? Nice is mid-table. Istres dead last. I was amazed to see:

    1) stadium only 1/4 filled if that
    2) no sense of urgency from either team. Doesn't relegation danger provide that urgency? That's what I always read here!
    3) no true highlights. Even with a 2-minute clip, there was nothing to show and the commentators were commenting on how dreadful it was.

    After Europe fixes its problems, then we turn to MLS.
  16. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Sporting Kansas City
    Uhm. Teams do get bonuses. The Wizard players split $100k and the Fire players split $50k for winning/making the USOC final.
  17. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
    the 417
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, but comments like that about people who voted for Bush are pretty much the norm over in Politics.
  18. Pyro

    Pyro Member

    Apr 18, 2000
    Fulton River District
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Open Cup is US Soccer and there is already a $100K prize for the winner and $50K for the runner-up. What I've long advocated (as if my opinion rings down the ancient halls of US soccer) is getting a corporate sponsor for the Open Cup, lets say ($1M) gets them signage, and their name on the Cup. $1M would allow the prize money to triple, help offset some of the travel costs and bring some much needed marketing money to the tourney.

    More pressing issues (that are not currently addressed):

    MLS realignment - too soon for single table, need 17 teams at least. Move KC to the East.

    Break for international dates - this should be the number one issue

    Bribe ESPN for highlight time. Let's face it, they need to start showing MLS highlights on a regular basis if MLS is to work into the mind of Joe American.
  19. mpruitt

    mpruitt Member

    Feb 11, 2002
    E. Somerville
    New England Revolution
    I've come to think this is a red herring. MLS is almost 10 years old, people should know it exists by now. They may not be very aware of it but they should know it exists. The selling of MLS and soccer in America has to be done on a brick by brick retail level w/o hoping for BooYaah Sportscenter to put us over the top. My point is that the WNBA gets plenty of hype from Sportscenter, so do other sports I don't give a crap about, namely golf and racing. Doesn't make me want to watch any of them.
  20. sidefootsitter

    sidefootsitter Member+

    Oct 14, 2004
    Maxim, there's no such a thing as bad publicity and/or exposure.

    Take the TV networks from WNBA and it'd have no more than a few dozen ladies with mullets and flannel shirts attending its games.

    Retail selling has to be done in addition to the establishing the brand and the name recognition.

    It has to be an offensive on all fronts.
  21. UCLAcrew

    UCLAcrew New Member

    Jul 28, 2004

    I'm not sure if you're very informed about European soccer in general, but the French league is by and large regarded as 2nd tier -- along the lines of the Dutch league. So when two teams play each other, there isn't really a great interest (with the exceptions of PSG, Marseille, Monaco and Lyon), and even less so when one of the teams is in last place. The fact that these are two teams obviously playing poorly (as their standings indicate) in a lower league COULD POSSIBLY explain why you felt there was a lack of highlights/fans/etc. By using such a poor example, you do your argument a great disservice.

    I agree Europe has problems, but the European experience should be viewed as a model of what to do and not to do for the MLS, not ignored outright.

    I've lived in San Diego and LA for the 10 years the MLS has been around, and marketing is relatively non-existant. The only source of advertising for the MLS or the LA Galaxy I have encountered in that time, is the Home Depo Center's marquee on the 405. If the MLS wants to expand, they have to tap more effectively into the television sports market, and to do that they must go through ESPN. College males (my demographic) watch an ungodly amount of ESPN, and if that market can be tapped, then the MLS will be doing nicely.

    NASCAR is one of the fastest growing sports in the US, and it's not hindered in any respect by showing their product on Sportscenter. Sportscenter may show a single soccer clip in their Top 10 (which is saddly the only segment in which soccer is covered) once every six months or so. If the MLS is to expand it's market share, it must constantly be available to the consumer. MLS coverage needs to be expansive in an effort to reach as many potential customers as possible. Television is key to this. And since ESPN is the major sports network, the MLS must increase it's visability on this channel.
  22. Wile Coyote

    Wile Coyote Red Card

    Sep 21, 2000
    Punta del Este, Uru.
    Club Nacional de Football
    The Perfect Changes

    Single table
    top 8 go on to play offs (seeing How MLS would never reduce it In a perfect world the top 4 would go)
    each team plays each other twice Home and Away..
    When the first half of the season ends your All star game vs National teams or Famous Club Sides

    Since there would be only home and away league games this frees up many dates to promote AHEAD OF TIME US Open Cup Games and Friendly games vs some of the best world teams (to compete with Champions world and with SUM a div of MLS i'm sure they could bring over some good sides)

    And if MLS wants to have a freak side show to fill up dates and "extend" the season they could Revive the Trans Atlantic Cup and have MLS Cup Winner and Runner up play 2 top club sides 1 from europe and 1 from the americas every year...

    Club teams with the atlantic cups and brimstone cups can make those cups also like the Transatlantic Cup for some friendly games with some thing extra to win...
  23. accion

    accion Member

    Nov 28, 1998
    dfw, texas
    FC Dallas

    i think you missed a bit of maxim's sarcasm. western european soccer leagues are without doubt the best in the world. mls cant just copy them and be popular, americans arent europeans. mls does have someting no euro leagues have parity, which at time is a positive and a negative. how would suggest MLS more effective taps into the television market? they have to pay mls to be on espn right now. i think mls has to be popular before it gets airtime, not get airtime to get popular. i believe mls has made qutie a few errors, but is stable and expanding. we are getting SSS all over the place and with those clubs become profitable and can present a more attractive product.
  24. abilenecosmos

    abilenecosmos Member

    Nov 2, 2004
    The Rock
    I think perhaps what the league must do is to become profitable, or at least start in the direction. (we are doing this with the SSS, I am sure the galaxy are in the black again this year) This will attract more sponsorship, and this will attract more exposure. More exposure, means more viewers, and that will mean ESPN will pay the league to put MLS on tv because they wont be throwing money or air time down the drain.

    btw, how long does the contract between MLS and espn last? After that is gone I am sure that NBC could use some different sports coverage. I mean there has sure been a lot of ice skating and bowling.
  25. Scrambles

    Scrambles New Member

    May 21, 2004
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't want the league to have anything to do with NBC Sports. They are a disaster.

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