Capped yanks that could have played for another country.

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by cleat/less, Dec 6, 2004.

  1. cleat/less

    cleat/less New Member

    May 7, 2004
    hoosier-land
    the cap to spector, while cool, seemed to be out of left field. I pondered this, "why did Arena cap Spector?" sure, we were already qualified, but the kid hadn't played first team at man-u in some time. sure there's the west brom rumour, but he's still just playing for man-u's reserves.

    I remember reading the spector got a work permit due to a german passport. this got me to thinking, could spector have played for the german national team?

    then I remembered alecko getting capped last year, also bizarre as an unproven rookie. next quesiton, didn't alecko's old man play for the iranian national team? ala, alecko could have played for iran?

    oh yes, jeff cunningham, capped by the us, who drew heat from his country of birth, Jaimaca.

    is it a case of Bruce Arena capping some fringe and/or rookie players to make sure we never have to face them and/or insure that their nat team playing time comes with us?

    just a thought.
     
  2. nancyb

    nancyb Member

    Jun 30, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alecko's cap doesn't count, because it was a friendly, as opposed to a FIFA-sanctioned event. Regardless, I doubt there's any risk of Alecko suiting up for Iran.

    Carlo Llamosa is a naturalized citizen.

    Danny Szetela could play for Poland.

    Whitbread? Could he play for England?

    Adu could play for Ghana.

    Spector can only play for the US because he's now cap-tied due to:
    Playing for the senior team and appearing in a FiFA-sanctioned event (WCQ).
     
  3. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Alecko benefited from being on one of two teams that weekend that did not have a regular season MLS match. That's why the US-Wales match featured lots of Quakes and DCU players iirc.

    I believe, if you're making a comprehensive list, it would be quite long because a lot of countries have pretty slack rules about who can claim citizenship through ancestry. I'm not sure about this, but I think Claudio Reyna "might" have played for Argentina or Portugal and Tab Ramos might have played for Uraguay.
     
  4. Shaydee

    Shaydee Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    robin fraser could have played for jamaica also, i believe one of or both of cory gibbs parents are from jamaica so he could have played for them too. Mark Chung could have played for Jamaica or Canada and Gooch could have played for Nigeria. Whitbread is still eligible to play for England with the new rules I believe
     
  5. Adam Zebrowski

    Adam Zebrowski New Member

    May 28, 1999
    landon donovan is another one who got away from canada...

    he was born there...
     
  6. Shaydee

    Shaydee Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    landon was born in california but his dad is a canuck so he could have played for them
     
  7. Bob Morocco

    Bob Morocco Member+

    Aug 11, 2003
    Billings, MT
    ******** you canada. Hahahahahahhaha.
     
  8. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Reyna, I think, would probably have been elgible for Argentina. John O'Brien holds a Dutch passport. Gooch could have played for Nigeria.

    Nancy - here are the rules for player Eligibility (concerning Esky)

    Esky played in the Olympic Qualifying tournament and is now cap tied to USA. as is Zak Whitbred.
     
  9. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    This is a pretty long list.

    Of the players that have played for the senior national team at least once since Bruce Arena took over, these are the ones THAT I KNOW OF (there could be others) who are eligible for another passport.

    Players in italics are not cap-tied to the US under current FIFA rules.

    Jeff Agoos - Switzerland (birth)
    Chris Armas - Puerto Rico/Cuba (parents)
    Imad Baba - Palestine (parents)
    Marcelo Balboa - Argentina (parents)
    Edson Buddle - Jamaica (parents)
    Mark Chung - Canada (birth), Jamaica (parents)

    Ramiro Corrales - Mexico (parent)
    Jeff Cunningham - Jamaica (birth)
    Landon Donovan - Canada (parents)
    Tom Dooley - Germany (birth)
    Alecko Eskandarian - Iran (Parents)
    Robin Fraser - Jamaica (birth)
    Nick Garcia - Mexico (parents)
    Eddie Gaven - Ireland (parents)

    Cory Gibbs - Jamaica (parents)
    Diego Gutierrez - Colombia (birth)
    Henry Gutierrez - Cuba (birth)
    Marcus Hahnemann - Germany (parents)

    John Harkes - Scotland (parents)
    Tim Howard - Hungary (parents)
    Jovan Kirovski - Macedonia (parents)
    Roy Lassiter - Costa Rica (marriage)
    Carlos Llamosa - Colombia (birth)
    Pablo Mastroeni - Argentina (birth), Italy (parents)
    Tony Meola - Italy (parents)
    Joe-Max Moore - Bolivia (marriage)
    Oguchi Onyewu - Nigeria (parents)
    Preki Radosavljevic - Yugoslavia (parents)
    Tab Ramos - Uruguay (birth)
    Ante Razov - Croatia (parents)
    David Regis - France/Martinique (birth)
    Claudio Reyna - Argentina/Portugal (parents)
    Nick Rimando - Mexico/Philippines (parents)
    Tony Sanneh - Zambia (parents)
    Jon Spector - Ireland (parents)
    Earnie Stewart - Holland (birth)
    Ryan Suarez - Uruguay (parents)
    John Thorrington - South Africa (birth)/England (parents)

    Richie Williams - Costa Rica (marriage)

    Also, some guys who are likely to be capped by Arena in the next year or two like Freddy Adu (Ghana), Robbie Russell (Ghana), Ricardo Clark (Trinidad and British Guyana), and Zak Whitbread (England) are eligible to play for another country, under current FIFA rules.
     
  10. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    please see above Sandon. Olympic qualifying ties you, and you have to be under 21 to declare for a different nation.

    also, this is the definition of an "A" Match.


    by general rule of thumb, I think you can safely say that any FIFA senior Tournament, and any friendly thats falls on those official FIFA friendly days count as "A" matches. USA has played in 2 this year. vs Holland, vs Poland​
     
  11. Jonez

    Jonez New Member

    Aug 4, 2004
    Boston
    I believe that playing for youth national teams can also link a player to a country. I read something about this when Adu got his first youth international cap. Anyway, because of this, a lot of the young players on your list probably are all ready stuck with us.
     
  12. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    no, thats actually not true. Read the rules I've quoted above. Says nothing about Youth Tournaments

    or:

    http://www.fifa.com/fifa/statutes/statutesdocs/FIFA_statutes_08_2004_E.pdf

    its a PDF file. Page 51
     
  13. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was born in Ontario...

    Onatrio, California.
     
  14. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to Eddie, he has no obvious means of Irish citizenship that he knows of. Having been capped in an official youth tournament for us, he's ours.
     
  15. Gar7

    Gar7 New Member

    Feb 7, 2001
    Southington, CT
    Zak Whitbread has played in an Olympic qualifier and therefore is not eluigible to play for England. Jonathan Spector was capped in the last semifinal qualifier for the US, so he cannot play for Germany(fixed your post by the way).
     
  16. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Pat Noonan could have played for Ireland correct? I think I remember a story about this on these boards earlier
     
  17. HartwickFan

    HartwickFan Member

    Jul 31, 1999
    Climax, MI
    Club:
    VfR Wormatia 08 Worms
    Nat'l Team:
    Tuvalu
    As I recall, the FIFA rule permits a player who has been capped in a FIFA-sanctioned youth tournie to switch national teams only if at the time the player was capped in the youth match, the player was eligible for both teams. So players like Gaven and Spector, who were ineligible to play for Ireland and Germany, respectively, when they were capped in the U-17 World Cup, became cap-tied to the U.S. way back then.
     
  18. Jonez

    Jonez New Member

    Aug 4, 2004
    Boston
    I need to correct my other post.

    It seems FIFA ruled in June of 2003 that players who performed for U-23 or U-20 national teams but not the full squad they could switch countries. Before this ruling, playing for these teams bound players to a country.

    Here's a Boston Globe article that discusses this issue with regards to Freddy Adu:

    http://www.boston.com/sports/soccer/articles/2004/04/27/ghana_makes_a_play_for_adu/
     
  19. nancyb

    nancyb Member

    Jun 30, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yikes! I forgot all about the Olympics, but what Jonez has posted aboves indicates that this does not cap-tie them if they're under 21 at the time. I'd guess Alecko was 21 then. Also, Apoo, the rule you quoted mentioned switching during the tournament. So, does that mean, given all eligibility rules, a player could switch once the tourney's over?
     
  20. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    I believe any Jewish player would also be eligible to play for Israel.
     
  21. jkl;

    jkl; New Member

    Oct 15, 2003
    Whoever said Preki's parents are from Yugoslavia,
    isn't he too? I think he was born in Belgrade, and his first pro team was Red Star.
     
  22. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So what current or recent USMNT players are Jewish? Only one I can think of off the top of my head is Jeff Agoos.

    A little correction: Sanneh's father is from Gambia, not Zambia.
     
  23. gocaps

    gocaps Member

    Sep 23, 2000
    With the SEs in 134
    FWIW - and the point is moot since he's already cap-tied to the US - Esky considers himself Armenian even though his father played for Iran. There is a large Armenian minority in Northern Iran, and back when Andranik played for Iran, Armenia was part of the USSR.
     
  24. Horizon

    Horizon New Member

    Nov 20, 2000
    New York City
    What this shows us is that the good players are still coming from families who immigrated to this country recently. Also, that many black players have ties to the Caribbean, mainly Jamaica.
     
  25. halfnelson31

    halfnelson31 New Member

    Jul 23, 2002
    NOVA
    for some reason i get the idea that rimando played in the gold/confed cup. maybe its cuz he was gettin caps round that time...
     

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