Pre-match: Can't believe it took this long for this thread, the 2024 Presidential election thread!

Q*bert Jones III · Feb 26, 2024

Yoshou said: ↑

I think the difference is that Trump has never been known to be accurate with information and it simply is not expected of him. Trump is all about the presentation, if he gets some details wrong, who cares as long as he keeps up the presentation.
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The soft bigotry of low expectations.

soccernutter · Feb 26, 2024

Pønch said: ↑

I'm always amazed at the disconnect when people claim to be concerned about Biden's age and never even in passing mention Trump's. And then they start going on about cognitive decline and I'm like have you f*cking heard a single minute of Trump's unhinged ramblings on ANY subject whatsoever?
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I keep hearing it get mentioned in passing, but never the focus. And I think part of that is because he says so much stupid shit whereas Biden doesn't. Trump is chaos, Biden is professional.

Not to mention the score is 91-0 when it comes to criminal indictments.
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Which, as decisions are starting to go against Trump, it is looking like they are starting to have an effect. It won't ever be monumental, but it hopefully will be just enough.

Nobody that hasn't drank gallons of MAGA Kool-Aid should have any problems discerning which of the two candidates is fit to be president.
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True. But the media needs this to be a horse race, and needs to make Biden comparable to Trump in some way.

dapip · Feb 27, 2024

soccernutter said: ↑

Which, as decisions are starting to go against Trump, it is looking like they are starting to have an effect. It won't ever be monumental, but it hopefully will be just enough.
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This. A 2% swing makes the race impossible for Trump(*). A 3% puts Florida in play. 5% we're talking Texas and maybe OH and IA.

(*) I checked 270towin yesterday, and Trump has no path, as MI, WI, PA and VA are all alloted to Biden. The only states still polling as swing are NV(6), AZ (11) and GA(16), so even winning those 3, the GQP would fall short.

dapip · Feb 27, 2024

Addendum: Donations are drying up for both Trump and the RNC, and several GQP state parties are broke, so their prospects are looking dimmer by the day. Yes, we cannot be complacent and we need to get out all the vote, but definetily I'd rather be in Biden's position than in Trump's gold clown shoes.

superdave · Feb 27, 2024

When your enemy is drowning, throw him an anchor-James Carville

ceezmad · Feb 27, 2024

ok with 7% in uncommitted is at 15%, do you think Biden will get less than 70%?

Joe Biden (D): 60,382 (79.7%)
Uncommitted: 11,618 (15.3%)

DDHQ Race Update (est. 7% in): MI President Democratic Primary

Joe Biden (D): 60,382
(79.7%)
Uncommitted: 11,618
(15.3%)
Dean Phillips (D): 1,909
(2.5%)
Marianne Williamson (D): 1,899
(2.5%)

Follow more results here: https://t.co/Yh1jQg9Qwg
— Decision Desk HQ (@DecisionDeskHQ) February 28, 2024

soccernutter · Feb 27, 2024

I'll be watching the Phillips v. Williamson race. At this moment, Williamson is up 2292 to 2267.

ceezmad · Feb 27, 2024

Well this we know, is ll about the splits.

Trump and Biden win Michigan primaries https://t.co/fmM7xin9As
— POLITICO (@politico) February 28, 2024

soccernutter · Feb 27, 2024

Phillips is up by 15...wait, update...Williamson up by 2.

The drama!

ceezmad · Feb 27, 2024

ceezmad said: ↑

ok with 7% in uncommitted is at 15%, do you think Biden will get less than 70%?

Joe Biden (D): 60,382 (79.7%)
Uncommitted: 11,618 (15.3%)

DDHQ Race Update (est. 7% in): MI President Democratic Primary

Joe Biden (D): 60,382
(79.7%)
Uncommitted: 11,618
(15.3%)
Dean Phillips (D): 1,909
(2.5%)
Marianne Williamson (D): 1,899
(2.5%)

Follow more results here: https://t.co/Yh1jQg9Qwg
— Decision Desk HQ (@DecisionDeskHQ) February 28, 2024

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According to this, uncommitted usually gets between 10-20% of the vote. But is that true? True for total between all parties, just Democrats, just republicans?

As it sits, the "#Uncommitted" vote in the #MichiganPrimary is well within the historical norm (10%-20%) for that State. This is a strong indication that the so called "protest vote" is a bust and that Biden is once again exceeding expectations. #BidenHarris2024 #BidenHarris24… pic.twitter.com/sJFTBxUwxD
— Matt from MN (@JustaGuyInMinn) February 28, 2024

soccernutter · Feb 27, 2024

Williamson - 6813
Phillips - 6573

Looking good.

celito · Feb 27, 2024

Turns out the robocalls in NH with Biden's voice telling people not to vote came from a Democratic former consultant for Dean Phillips.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/25/politics/fake-biden-robocalls-consultant-dean-phillips/index.html

ceezmad · Feb 27, 2024

uncommitted still under 20%, but over 30K votes.

(est. 26% in): MI President Democratic Primary Joe Biden (D): 195,267 (80.0%) Uncommitted: 34,983 (14.3%)

dapip · Feb 27, 2024

Tale of two primaries:

According to the NYT, though Biden is leading his nearest opponent by +76% in the Michigan primary he “faced opposition.” Meanwhile, Trump is leading by +35% but “easily beat” his opponent.

The NYT bias in covering this election is just impossible to ignore, at this point. pic.twitter.com/ndbVnloyXe
— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) February 28, 2024

Belgian guy · Feb 28, 2024

The first numbers out of Dearborn, Michigan:

Biden: 23%
Uncommitted: 75%

pic.twitter.com/WIXl0ntCxp
— Read Jackson Rising (@JoshuaPHilll) February 28, 2024

Well this at least suggest that it's a real thing among the Muslim-American electorate.

charlie15 · Feb 28, 2024

The finals numbers must felt like a bust for the "Uncommitted" proponents. 11% voted in 2011 primary with Obama running. 13.3% is not exactly a smashing endorsement.
Having said that, the Biden campaign needs to rebuild bridges with that segment of the base, the WH has well has to push harder for an acceptable and viable solution in the Israeli-Gaza conflict.

CANDIDATES

PARTY

VOTES

PCT.

Joe Biden *
DEM 617,925
81.1%

UNCOMMITTED
DEM 101,049
13.3%

MarianneWilliamson
DEM 22,688
3.0%

Dean Phillips
DEM 20,525
2.7%

TOTAL

charlie15 · Feb 28, 2024

That is so cute Dean......You cant even beat Marianne....

“If you resent me for the audacity to challenge Joe Biden, at least you’ll appreciate how relatively strong I’m making him look among primary voters!”

— Rep. Dean Phillips (D-MN), commenting on his fourth place finish in the Michigan Democratic primary.

soccernutter · Feb 28, 2024

What, what? HE'S making Biden look strong?

Kazuma · Feb 28, 2024

The uncommitted vote is all sound and fury signifying nothing.

I'll say it again, most of the Arab American voters are low key GOP people.

The Jitty Slitter · Feb 28, 2024

Christ i hate Matt Yglesias but he is right about this

I keep starting on drafts that are like “why you should hope Biden wins if you care about Palestinian human rights” but then I check and everyone actively working to defeat him has actually already conceded that point. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) February 28, 2024

Kazuma · Feb 28, 2024

The Jitty Slitter said: ↑

Christ i hate Matt Yglesias but he is right about this

I keep starting on drafts that are like “why you should hope Biden wins if you care about Palestinian human rights” but then I check and everyone actively working to defeat him has actually already conceded that point. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) February 28, 2024

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Yglesias has had a lot of good points lately.

Anyway, you can't take 95% of the pro Palestine movement seriously for a reason(s). One of which will make a lot of people howl.

soccernutter · Feb 28, 2024

The problem with a President who has an excellent record. He'll never be good enough.

dapip · Feb 28, 2024

1762912604266357145 is not a valid tweet id

ceezmad · Feb 28, 2024

charlie15 said: ↑

The finals numbers must felt like a bust for the "Uncommitted" proponents. 11% voted in 2011 primary with Obama running. 13.3% is not exactly a smashing endorsement.
Having said that, the Biden campaign needs to rebuild bridges with that segment of the base, the WH has well has to push harder for an acceptable and viable solution in the Israeli-Gaza conflict.

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There is very little Biden can offer them that will satisfy them, the people calling him Genocide Biden are not going to change their minds.

Biden can not stop the war, at most we can cut off aid to Israel, but that is not going to make Israel stop.

Edit: quoted the wrong post, fixed.

Yoshou · Feb 28, 2024

ceezmad said: ↑

There is very little Biden can offer them that will satisfy them, the people calling him Genocide Biden are not going to change their minds.

Biden can not stop the war, at most we can cut off aid to Israel, but that is not going to make Israel stop.

Edit: quoted the wrong post, fixed.
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Yeah.. that's my biggest issue with the "Ceasefire now!" people. Especially the ones that say they are going to vote for Trump over Biden. Biden is working on a cease fire and, reportedly, is pretty close to getting that done. Trump would not work on a ceasefire and would give Israel free reign.