Canadian Premier league

Discussion in 'Canada' started by mikehurst21, Feb 3, 2016.

  1. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    My comment was incorrect. They have created a union but the players have yet to be unionized but it looks like a formality to me whenever they are ready to go through the process.

    A women's league is in the plans by CPL. That's why it's unlikely that the CSA will ever grant a sanction to NSWL unless it's highly restrictive with an understanding that the club joins Women's CPL at launch.
     
  2. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    MLS discussing drastic wage cuts with players' union - sources
    That seems rater lame, tbh ;)
     
  3. Yoshou

    Yoshou Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, it is. :)
     
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  4. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    From what I understand, the CPL players will get the 75% of their wages covered by the CEWS.

    For MLS players, the proposed cuts would apply only to earnings above $100 000 USD.

    As far as I'm aware none of the teams involved will be receiving revenue so they aren't that different than a restaurant that has had to shut down.

    It sucks for the players but 75% of a CPL salary or $100 000 USD should still let them buy groceries.
     
  5. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Good podcast on York9

    • Moving to Friday Nights : Many TFC season tickets holder will be able to watch York 9
    • York Lions Stadium pitch will be expanded to full size for the 2021 season. The running track will be removed this year
    • The Baldassara family are passionate about CPL and the club. They are the owners of one of the biggest home builders/developers in Canada. The financial backing and commitment to the club is solid
    • The club is moving away from building a stadium in Vaughan within 3 years. They want to build a solid base and have success in North York before moving in York.
    • They will be more inclusive in their marketing. So far they have only targeted York Region while ignoring where they are currently playing, North York which is home to over 850k people
    • The host was suggesting that we might see the club dropping the "9" and just be York
     
  6. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  7. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    ^ A small but important correction to the tweet: As it says in the actual article, Rob Friend is part-owner of Pacific FC now.

    That actually makes me happier. He's a definite asset for promoting the club. I'd have been worried about the depth of his pockets if he was actually the only owner, however.
     
  8. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    I'm not sure how much wider it will become (and therefore how much closer the seats will be to the edge of the field) but this will help the game day experience. Right now, using Google Maps, it's 21 m from the front row of seats across the track to the edge of the field. At TD Place this distance is 7 to 9 m depending where you're sitting.
     
  9. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    The main financial backer of the club is Dean Shillington
    http://knightsbridgegroup.ca/about

    From what people say, the ownership group as a whole have very deep pockets
     
  10. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    CPL might get Federal Government help if the CFL succeed in securing such help.
    NHL, MLB, NBA and NHL are unlikely to receive any help as they are based in the US.*

    *Bettman moved the NHL HQ from Toronto to NY in the 90s
     
  11. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
     
  12. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    I'm a fan of both the CFL and the CPL. I hope they receive all the government money that would be available to any other business. I hope they don't get any special money beyond that. I'm fine with the government offering help but I'm not fine with them picking favourites.
     
  13. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Langford Stadium might have all of the training CanPL games behind closed doors on Vancouver Island.
     
  14. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    According to Alex Bunbury, the CPL Montreal bid didn't work due to the group of investors he gathered being from Saudi Arabia and doing business in Canada represented a challenge for them. He said to have made progress on putting up another. bid
    Looks like Quebec City will be first in the province
     
  15. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    European leagues are definitely watching this league. An announcement is imminent
     
  16. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  17. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
  18. adrenaline11

    adrenaline11 Member+

    Jul 29, 2010
    Toronto
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Didn't see this one coming as Estevez has only played a full 90 for York once in his career. I'm guessing this move came about because of a combination of factors: ADO Den Haag's ownership is Chinese, Estevez himself is half ethnic Chinese, and also because he has an EU passport.

    I hope he does well in Holland.
     
  19. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
     
  20. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Jeff Hunt left OSEG to focus on Atletico Ottawa.
     
  21. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Valour is being transparent with their finances. Their record should shatter doubts on the league's viability. They still lost money but we're far from the "bleeding red from everywhere" naysayers kept singing.

    Valour lost $211k in 2019. As Rollins pointed out, selling players will be huge for clubs hence the huge incentive in developing players and sending them elsewhere.
     
  22. Kingston

    Kingston Member+

    Oct 6, 2005
    Very interesting.

    This data was actually published as a sub-section of the Winnipeg Blue Bombers annual financial statements which get released every year because the Bombers are a community owned club. That means we should presumably get to see these numbers for Valour FC every year which will be useful for those of us who are interested in this sort of thing.

    https://d3ham790trbkqy.cloudfront.n...innipegBlueBombers_AnnualReport_Web_FINAL.pdf

    This shows Valour with revenues of ~$2.8 million and expenses of ~$3 million.

    We know from elsewhere that the salary cap (which I assume all the teams are at least close to) is $750 000. This means Valour had non-player salary expenses of about $2.25 million. I'm impressed they were able to keep it that low. The Bombers show expenses for "football operations" at $12 million. Take out $5.7 million for the CFL salary cap and it means the football team spent ~$6.3 million on other stuff.

    Valour had an average attendance last year of 5368 over 14 home games or about 75 000 total fans. Assuming an average of $25 per ticket, that gives ticket revenue of ~$1.9 million. So about $900 000 in non-ticket revenue.

    My overall take is that the numbers were lower than I expected. Remember when they said the owners were going to "invest" $5 million per team per season? But both the revenue and expenses are lower than I'd have thought. A loss of $200 k is pretty decent for an opening campaign.
     
  23. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    It looks like the emphasis of CPL is to run as efficiently as possible and remain very lean business-wise which makes breaking even or even turning a profit very attainable much sooner than any of us had anticipated.

    Tyler Attardo has European clubs interested in buying him. Valour is 1 or 2 sales away from breaking even.

    This tells me that Halifax, Forge and possibly Cavalry either broke even or turned a profit. Pacific, York most likely lost more than Valour.

    Edmonton might have broke even as Tom Fath was saying that running a CPL club was much cheaper for him than NASL while having a bigger average in attendance than back then. His most important clue was that he said the business backing and sponsorship was significantly higher than the NASL years + MediaPro deal

    Cavalry had the most expensive tickets in CPL, most likely more expensive than some MLS clubs. The games against Vancouver and Montreal + the CPL finals were sellouts at full price. If you account the Joel Waterman sell, Cavalry made money this year.

    I would say the same for Forge with the Tristan Borges sale, CPL finals and CONCACAF league games. (~200k + bonus to Forge now that Borges team promoted to the Belgium top Tier)

    Halifax most likely broke even by selling out all their games.

    It's definitely encouraging for the future and attractive to prospective owners out there. It adds weight to the claim from CPL that around 20 groups are interested.

    Not sure if you caught that but the Montreal CPL Bid was backed by Saudis until it felt through due to Canada making it too hard for them to invest here. That was from Alex Bunbury who's the one putting up the bid. He's working to put up another with other investors.
     
  24. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada

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