Bush voters are ignorant, mostly because they believe Bushie lies

superdave · Oct 23, 2004

Metros Striker10 said:

That's funny. You know, every time I hear a political debate amongst people, this is what many times occurs:

Kerry fan: * Bush rant *

Bush fan: Okay, okay. You don't like the way Bush made his decisions. Fine. Now, why is that you feel that Kerry would be a better president and Commander-In-Chief?

KF: Because his name isn't Bush.

BF: Oh, okay. Now, Bush appearently has destroyed all alliances, exlcuding those 30 "small countries that are smaller than Texas." What will Mr. Kerry do, or whould have done to fix or prevent this from happening.

KF: I don't know. I'm not John Kerry. Kerry wouldn't have done that. He would have waited for the UN's approval.

You can't call all Dubya fans ignorant because many Kerry fans are just haters of both and just want a change because it's cool.
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Kerry understands that the modern problem of terrorism is mostly a problem of non-state actors. Bush is oblivious to that fact. That's why Bush CREATED a swamp in Iraq, when our strategy should be to DRAIN the swamps.

I could go on longer, but I wanna be sure you understand this crucial, fundamental, vital difference before wasting my time.

afgrijselijkheid · Oct 23, 2004

Metros Striker10 said:

That's funny. You know, every time I hear a political debate amongst people, this is what many times occurs:

Kerry fan: * Bush rant *

Bush fan: Okay, okay. You don't like the way Bush made his decisions. Fine. Now, why is that you feel that Kerry would be a better president and Commander-In-Chief?

KF: Because his name isn't Bush.

BF: Oh, okay. Now, Bush appearently has destroyed all alliances, exlcuding those 30 "small countries that are smaller than Texas." What will Mr. Kerry do, or whould have done to fix or prevent this from happening.

KF: I don't know. I'm not John Kerry. Kerry wouldn't have done that. He would have waited for the UN's approval.

You can't call all Dubya fans ignorant because many Kerry fans are just haters of both and just want a change because it's cool.
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you are completely imagining this exchange... and "change because it's cool"?

Ilovecolombia redded · Oct 24, 2004

oblivious? kerry cant make up his mind about his own believes how do you expect him to know anything about terrorists or terrorism???

tcmahoney · Oct 24, 2004

Ilovecolombia said:

I'm a complete tool who parrots GOP talking points without even thinking about checking out the facts. I'm proving Superdave right.
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Weekends are a great time to fix things.

Ilovecolombia redded · Oct 24, 2004

wow thats all you can do

a bunch of liberal democrats take advantage that conservative republicans dont use the internet to say theyre stupid

that is one of the most clean and truthful things you can do

tcmahoney · Oct 24, 2004

Ilovecolombia said:

wow thats all you can do

a bunch of liberal democrats take advantage that conservative republicans dont use the internet to say theyre stupid

that is one of the most clean and truthful things you can do
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Have you actually checked out the Senator's positions on terrorism, or do you just wave the BC04 sign around?

Ilovecolombia redded · Oct 24, 2004

his posistions are defending america and not fighting a war on terrorist he will do anything to keep CUNTries such as france and germany as friends even if it means leaving a country known to support terrorists alone. He cares about more what europe think then what america thinks. He doesnt care about us he doesnt care about protecting us all he cares about is giving in to the european ********** and allowing them to wipe the floor with our dead army corpse.

tcmahoney · Oct 24, 2004

Superdave, you're getting proved right. Again.

Ilovecolombia said:

his posistions are defending america and not fighting a war on terrorist he will do anything to keep CUNTries such as france and germany as friends even if it means leaving a country known to support terrorists alone. He cares about more what europe think then what america thinks. He doesnt care about us he doesnt care about protecting us all he cares about is giving in to the european ********** and allowing them to wipe the floor with our dead army corpse.
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Just for comedy value, I'm going to ask you to back that up.

ratdog · Oct 24, 2004

Ilovecolombia said:

his posistions are defending america and not fighting a war on terrorist he will do anything to keep CUNTries such as france and germany as friends even if it means leaving a country known to support terrorists alone. He cares about more what europe think then what america thinks. He doesnt care about us he doesnt care about protecting us all he cares about is giving in to the european ********** and allowing them to wipe the floor with our dead army corpse.
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Rarely do you see a post like the quote above with 0% substance and 100% filler. Assuming you're not just another wind-up merchant, that is. If you are a wind-up merchant, then nice job on your post. It's often difficult to tell the wind-up merchants from the real Reeps these days since so many Bush fans have drifted into outright self-parody in the last two years.

Own Goal Hat-Trick · Oct 24, 2004

The news yesterday showed
a speech by Bush in Ohio. I dont know who spoke before him (mayor os
something), but wow.. he must be STUPID! He managed to say something
like: "We should not let anyone like France, Germany og Russia tell us
what to do!", then he crumbled the his speech notes and left the stage.
The crowd cheering on.. I think its so wrong to think so highly of
yourself that you dont listen do advice from anyone. I dont mean that
the US should agree with everyone around the world. But it could help
sometiems to hear what others have to say. The US have great power, but
the world are made up off other people too. If there is one thing that
creates enemies it stuff like that (and that does not make the world a
safer place). Another thing I find a bit scary is the way they use
religion to validate their politics. I have never been religious, I
think religion is a tool used to manipulate people. I respect people
whether they are religious or not, I just think every religion should do
the same. When a christian thinks he is more worth a muslim just because
of the religion..
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MikeLastort2 · Oct 24, 2004

Ilovecolombia said:

his posistions are defending america and not fighting a war on terrorist he will do anything to keep CUNTries such as france and germany as friends even if it means leaving a country known to support terrorists alone. He cares about more what europe think then what america thinks. He doesnt care about us he doesnt care about protecting us all he cares about is giving in to the european ********** and allowing them to wipe the floor with our dead army corpse.
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How could anyone say Bush voters are ignorant after reading that informed opinion?

Kelly Vargas · Oct 24, 2004

Ilovecolombia said:

his posistions are defending america and not fighting a war on terrorist he will do anything to keep CUNTries such as france and germany as friends even if it means leaving a country known to support terrorists alone. He cares about more what europe think then what america thinks. He doesnt care about us he doesnt care about protecting us all he cares about is giving in to the european ********** and allowing them to wipe the floor with our dead army corpse.
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hold on just a minute libs... before you tear ILC apart more, ill explain what he's saying so you can understand...

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um..

yeah.. even i cant back this one up!! This justifies supporting bush just about as well as saying "So what if we went to war for oil, i love iraqi oil.."

Metros Striker10 · Oct 24, 2004

bluedaddy19 said:

you are completely imagining this exchange... and "change because it's cool"?

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How the heck can you assume something that you have absolutely no clue of? Do you have any proof that what I have said is fake? I want to stay neutral on BS, but I think that every once in a while I see somethings here that simply make no sense.

When I'm talking about "cool," I'm talking about these pop-stars and that Rock Your Vote crap that MTV is doing. They are just a bunch of biased group of young adults who go around schools and host social gatherings and accuse Bush of things, yet forget to say anything negative about Kerry. Young adults really aren't as experienced when it comes politics as the older people, but their votes counts just as much the 80 year old citizen. Although, I don't see much intelligence basing your vote on just on what a group of people say. So calling all Bush fans ignorant because of a lie, is pretty dumb. Also, we all know that Kerry (along with many, many other politicians) flip flop. Wouldn't that be considered a lie as well? He'll say something is X one day and Y the other.

I know you're sitting there think that my post has been nothing but bull, but, you know what? Good for you. You don't have to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you. But don't go around name calling people when you probably got p.o.ed when Bush keeps calling Kerry a Liberal.

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Superdave, I reread the first post on this thread, and wow. It's funny how before Bush became president, everyone had the same beliefs as they do now. Do you understand why?

Mind explaining the "swamp" you refer to? I'm serious and neutral on this question.

Metros Striker10 · Oct 24, 2004

MikeLastort2 said:

How could anyone say Bush voters are ignorant after reading that informed opinion?

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Okay...I'll attempt to see if I can defend him or her. Okay. From what I remember from the debates, Kerry said that Bush went to war without any support. He kept saying on and on and on about how we need to have better alliances. Even Kerry fans constantly talk about having better and more allies.

We went there with Britain, Australia and Poland, the country he forgot. The same way people have the feeling and believe that this war was because of oil and abolsutely nothing else, some believe that Kerry cares more about his alliances rather than going out and defending what is right (an "opinionated" right). It's really a matter of opinion. PA was polled on this situation and most believe that Bush is a better leader. There's no real right answer, because there will always be a pro and a con of each.

afgrijselijkheid · Oct 24, 2004

Ilovecolombia said:

a bunch of liberal democrats take advantage that conservative republicans dont use the internet to say theyre stupid

that is one of the most clean and truthful things you can do
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thanks man, although i did laugh so hard i may have peed a little

afgrijselijkheid · Oct 24, 2004

Metros Striker10 said:

How the heck can you assume something that you have absolutely no clue of? Do you have any proof that what I have said is fake? I want to stay neutral on BS, but I think that every once in a while I see somethings here that simply make no sense.

When I'm talking about "cool," I'm talking about these pop-stars and that Rock Your Vote crap that MTV is doing. They are just a bunch of biased group of young adults who go around schools and host social gatherings and accuse Bush of things, yet forget to say anything negative about Kerry. Young adults really aren't as experienced when it comes politics as the older people, but their votes counts just as much the 80 year old citizen. Although, I don't see much intelligence basing your vote on just on what a group of people say. So calling all Bush fans ignorant because of a lie, is pretty dumb. Also, we all know that Kerry (along with many, many other politicians) flip flop. Wouldn't that be considered a lie as well? He'll say something is X one day and Y the other.

I know you're sitting there think that my post has been nothing but bull, but, you know what? Good for you. You don't have to agree with me and I don't have to agree with you. But don't go around name calling people when you probably got p.o.ed when Bush keeps calling Kerry a Liberal.
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i can't even be bothered to wade through this muck

Section106 · Oct 24, 2004

Metros Striker10 said:

...We went there with Britain, Australia and Poland, the country he forgot. The same way people have the feeling and believe that this war was because of oil and abolsutely nothing else, some believe that Kerry cares more about his alliances rather than going...
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Could you explain what this war was for then if not for oil?

Metros Striker10 · Oct 24, 2004

Section106 said:

Could you explain what this war was for then if not for oil?
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ah yi yi

lurking · Oct 24, 2004

Section106 said:

Could you explain what this war was for then if not for oil?
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I know! I know!

WMDs!

Oh wait, that was last years answer.. um, terrorists!

Wheres my cookie?

Metros Striker10 · Oct 24, 2004

lurking said:

I know! I know!

WMDs!

Oh wait, that was last years answer.. um, terrorists!

Wheres my cookie?
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It wasn't just WMD...it's a mix of a bunch of other things. Even if it was and obviously there were none there, what as your take on WMD before Bush became the president? Did you accurately believe that Saddam was just playing a game when ever he told the UN guys to go away?

Ilovecolombia redded · Oct 24, 2004

there were WMDs but they were moved by terrorist or are still hidden

there is no one reason we went to war and as soon as the democrats understand that the sooner we can get eqaulity for republicans on these forums.

Section106 · Oct 24, 2004

Ilovecolombia said:

there were WMDs but they were moved by terrorist or are still hidden

there is no one reason we went to war and as soon as the democrats understand that the sooner we can get eqaulity for republicans on these forums.
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Are you, a supposed Reep, crying for equality? Will this equality be attained before or after the Constitutional Amendment banning Gay marriage?

And can you enumerate the actual reasons for the invasion of Iraq?

MikeLastort2 · Oct 24, 2004

Ilovecolombia said:

there were WMDs but they were moved by terrorist or are still hidden
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How could anyone say Bush voters are ignorant after reading that informed opinion?

superdave · Oct 24, 2004

Metros Striker10 said:

Mind explaining the "swamp" you refer to? I'm serious and neutral on this question.
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Sure.

The US has such a powerful military, that there's no nation that can challenge us over any of our truly strategic interests. I phrase it that way because if China really really wants Taiwan, they can take it. We would have to pay a heavy, heavy price to get it back. But there's no conceivable, plausible combination of nations that could threaten us in a existential way, or even a strategic way.

But that doesn't mean we're safe. We are under threat from asymmetrical warfare. So what should our strategic goals be, to protect ourselves from that threat? I see two major short term strategic goals. On one, Kerry and Bush are in agreement...we need to monitor nuclear and biological weapons, and the more dangerous chemical weapons, and we need to ensure they don't end up in the hands of non-state actors.

But on the other short term strategic goal, Kerry is right, and Bush isn't even wrong. He doesn't even understand that it's a goal. Bush still sees the world through the prism of state actors, the Cold War mentality. But al-Qaeda is not a nation. Zaqwari does not act in the service of a nation. That Filipino group does not have a standing army or borders or taxes or schools. What these types of groups need in order to thrive is chaos, anarchy. What they need are failed states. So it is a critical short term strategic goal for the United States to PREVENT failed states. Say what you will about Saddam's Iraq, it wasn't a failed state. Zarqawi operated in the Kurdish area, outside of Saddam's control. And the Bushies are/were so wrongheaded about the nature of our enemy that they had 2 chances to kill Zarqawi before the Iraq war, but they passed. Why? They believed (probably rightly) that killing him in Kurdish territory would undermine their case for the Iraq war. They saw Saddam as a bigger threat to us than Zarqawi.

This also is a factor in the failure that is post-war Iraq. A leader who understands how vital it is that we prevent failed states would never have taken even a CHANCE that Iraq would turn into a failed state. Now, it's a terrorist training ground. There's a pretty good chance that after we leave, Iraq will devolve into civil war. The "good" realistic outcome would be for Iraq to be ruled by fundamentalist Shiites.

See, the goal is to drain swamps. That's where the bad guys breed and thrive. The LAST thing you want to do is create a swamp, and that's exactly what we've done in Iraq.

Garcia · Oct 24, 2004

MikeLastort2 said:

How could anyone say Bush voters are ignorant after reading that informed opinion?

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The guy is from Colombia, can't vote in the USA, but comes at things from his perspective of constant threats of terrosism.

But if you think that is bad, you should see his soccer related posts.