Bundesliga Assignments and Discussion [Rs]

Discussion in 'Referee' started by balu, Aug 1, 2019.

  1. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    DFL-Supercup

    Borussia Dortmund - Bayern Munich

    Referee: Daniel Siebert
    Assistants: Rafael Foltyn, Jan Seidel
    4th Official: Harm Osmers
    VAR: Robert Schroder
    AVAR: Christof Gunsch

    Siebert's first Supercup assignment. Given that Zwayer, Fritz, and Welz have done it while Brych and Aytekin cannot do it, nothing very surprising here.
     
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  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I watched this live today.

    https://streamable.com/00ct8

    I don’t know why we have VARs look at red card incidents if they are going to be so inconsistently given. Quite frankly, I don’t know how this can be given as a yellow in the first place.
     
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  3. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s high level professional soccer, and it ended 11 v 11.

    Nothing to see here. Well done gents. Have a safe trip home.

    (If you can’t tell, I cant be any more sarcastic. A decent Grade 7 referee crew should give this a red 10 out of 10 times. I have no idea (outside of ending the match 11 v 11 at all costs) how this isn’t a VC send-off.)
     
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  4. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    #4 socal lurker, Aug 4, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2019
    Wtf

    The VAR did his job. How the R didn’t is just incredible.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  6. sulfur

    sulfur Member+

    Oct 22, 2007
    Ontario, Canada
    I looked at that one live and didn't see much in it.

    The third (fourth?) replay makes me think that this is a foul (and thus SPA). In talking with a few of other refs, one agreed with me, the other two felt that the attacking player put himself in danger and the defender caught him as he continued his normal run.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It really comes down to a question of it you can fairly shoulder charge your opponent in the head.
     
  8. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    IMHO, if that is the question the answer is easy: no.

    But I think more of the question is was he charging or was he just in a superior position so that it ended up with head to shoulder contact?

    I’m honestly not sure if this should be a foul, which leads me to VAR should not be intervening—did VAR get involved?
     
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  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. No foul and no intervention.
     
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  10. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
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  11. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
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  12. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Deniz Aytekin will referee the Berlin derby between Union Berlin and Hertha Berlin today, which is only the fifth Berlin derby in Bundesliga history.
     
  13. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Felix Zwayer will referee the big clash between Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund this weekend. It is the first meeting in quite a while where neither team is top of the league.
     
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  14. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
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  15. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013


    Brych with some work to do today after Frankfurt's captain David Abraham intentionally barged into Freiburg's coach Christian Streich deep into stoppage time with his side 0-1 down, sparking a melee. Abraham got the red card he clearly deserved (and will likely face a long ban), a coaching staff was shown yellow, and Freiburg's substituted player was later sent off after VAR caught him going after Abraham.
     
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  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Non-handball call at 15' of Mainz-Dortmund is worth a view for those with access. Sure a clip will spring up later.
     
  17. LampLighter

    LampLighter Member

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
  18. Mi3ke

    Mi3ke Member

    Oct 18, 2011
    New Mexico
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Every replay angle made it look worse and worse.
     
  19. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
  20. LampLighter

    LampLighter Member

    Bugeaters FC
    Apr 13, 2019
    Soooo 10 games?
     
  21. ptref

    ptref Member

    Manchester United
    United States
    Aug 5, 2015
    Bowling Green, KY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That might quite possibly be the nastiest thing I have ever seen on a soccer field. What the hell was that guy thinking?!?
     
  22. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    Perhaps he was hoping Howard Webb had the whistle. o_O
     
  23. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence. No facts support the idea he was thinking!
     
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  24. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow, AR1 is having a rough go in the second half of Augsburg-Dortmund. First, he lets a blatantly obvious offside by Sancho go until there’s a shot on goal 5-7 seconds later. It was a clear offside and one that should have been immediately flagged.

    Not 10 minutes later, he flags an offside after Haaland scores. VAR overturned after it showed the Dortmund player who played the initial long ball was in his own half when the ball was played.

    In the end, the right calls and results were made, but both situations should be pretty easy on the field calls for top-flight ARs in Europe.
     
  25. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    Interesting play in Hertha Berlin -Bayern game today. I don’t have a clip but a Lewandowski goal was disallowed because VAR determined the keeper had possession and Lewandowski headed it out of his hands.

    It definitely raises the question of how long does the keeper need to have hands on the ball to be considered “in possession” in the age of VAR.
     

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