and i realise, that after the loss, its gonna be an even touchier subject... but....... http://www.thenation.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20041108&s=facts what do you think? are you willing to tackle any of those points, let alone touch the whole mess? also, what do you think of obstenity as a trait when it comes to being an effective leader. i know that in my military chain of command, the higher ups who are considered to be the best leaders are able to admit when wrong, to learn from mistakes. the ones that nobody likes, and dont do as effective of a job, are the ones who refuse to admit any faults whatsoever. just curious about your take.