BigSoccer's Players of the Season: 1913-1914

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  1. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
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    #1 elegos7, Oct 10, 2019
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    Here are the main matches of the 1913-1914 season in chronological order. This is the last complete season before World War I.
    Any details about missing goalscorers and best players from match reports would be appreciated.

    ARG-URU 2-1, 9.7.1913, Avellaneda, Attendance: 12,500
    goals: Pedro Gonzalez 2 / Bastos

    ARG-URU 4-0, 15.8.1913, Avellaneda, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Susan 4

    Football League, Aston Villa-Blackburn Rovers 1-3, 13.9.1913, Birmingham, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers-Middlesbrough 6-0, 20.9.1913, Blackburn, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    URU-ARG 1-0, 5.10.1913, Montevideo, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Vallarino

    FA Charity Shield, Professionals-Amateurs 7-2, 6.10.1913, The Den, London, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Hampton 4, Holley 2, Fleming / Barlow, Farnfield
    best players: ?

    Scottish League, Rangers-Celtic 0-2, 25.10.1913, Glasgow, Ibrox Park, Attendance: 64,000
    goals: McAtee, Whitehead
    best players: ?

    HUN-AUT 4-3, 26.10.1913, Üllői út, Budapest, Attendance: 32,000
    goals: Kertész 2, Hlavay, Pataki / Schwarz, Merz, Dittrich

    GER-DEN 1-4, 26.10.1913, Hamburg, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Jäger / Nielsen 4

    URU-ARG 1-0, 26.10.1913, Montevideo, Attendance: 12,500
    goals: Gorta

    ENG*-NED 2-1, 15.11.1913, Kingston upon Hull, Attendance: 14,000
    goals: Knight, Woodward / Boutmy
    The match is a full international for the Netherlands, but not for England, who played with their amateur side.

    Football League, Middlesbrough-Aston Villa 5-2, 20.12.1913, Middlesbrough, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Scottish League, Celtic-Rangers 4-0, 1.1.1914, Glasgow, Celtic Park, Attendance: 75,000
    goals: Browning 2, Young, McMenemy
    best players: ?

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers-Aston Villa 0-0, 3.1.1914, Blackburn, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup 1st round, Blackburn Rovers-Middlesbrough 3-0, 10.1.1914, Blackburn, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    ITA-AUT 0-0, 11.1.1914, Milan, Attendance: 15,000

    Football League, Middlesbrough-Blackburn Rovers 3-0, 17.1.1914, Middlesbrough, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, WAL-IRL 1-2, 19.1.1914, The Racecourse, Wrexham, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: 0:1 (11') Gillespie, 0:2 (70') Gillespie, 1:2 (80') Evan Jones
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, ENG-IRL 0-3, 14.2.1914, Middlesbrough, Ayresome Park, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: Lacey 6’, Gillespie 36’, Lacey 80’
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1913-14/M0117Ire1914.html
    reserves: The Wednesday FC's Tom Brittleton and Sunderland AFC's George Holley.
    Ireland beat England at Middlesbrough on Saturday by three goals to none. Their victory, which is the first which they have gained on English soil, was thoroughly deserved in every respect, for they outplayed their opponents at all points, and their pace, dash, and skill afforded a most pleasing contrast to the dull, spasmodic efforts of the home country.

    British Home Championship, SCO-WAL 0-0, 28.2.1914, Glasgow, Celtic Park, Attendance: 10,000
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, IRL-SCO 1-1, 14.3.1914, Windsor Park, Belfast, Attendance: 31,000
    goals: 0-1 Donnachie (70), 1-1 Young (89)
    best players: ?

    BEL-NED 2-4, 15.3.1914, Antwerp, Attendance: 18,000
    goals: Brébart 2 / Dé Kessler 2, Westra, Francken

    British Home Championship, WAL-ENG 0-2, 16.3.1914, Cardiff, Ninian Park, Attendance: 17,600
    goals: Smith 50', Wedlock 70'
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1913-14/M0118Wal1914.html
    Ted Vizard injured his right ankle and retired. He did try to carry on, returning to the field, but ultimately, he had to retire after forty minutes play.

    Football League-Scottish League 2-3, 21.3.1914, Turf Moor, Burnley, Attendance: 38,000
    goals: 1-0 Nellies (6 min.), 2-0 Boyle (penalty, 15 min.), 2-1 Croal (48 min.), 2-2 Croal (58 min.), 2-3 Reid (75 min.)
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final, Burnley-Sheffield United 0-0, 28.3.1914, Old Trafford, Manchester, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final, Liverpool-Aston Villa 2-0, 28.3.1914, White Hart Lane, London, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    ITA-FRA 2-0, 29.3.1914, Turin, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Berardo, Cevenini

    FA Cup Semi-final replay, Burnley-Sheffield United 1-0, 1.4.1914, Goodison Park, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, SCO-ENG 3-1, 4.4.1914, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 105,000
    goals: Thomson 4', McMenemy 50', Reid 67' / Fleming 15'
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1913-14/M0119Sco1914.html
    There was no championship at stake on Saturday, the Association Championship had been annexed by Ireland already. But as in the Calcutta Cup at Rugby football, so at Association, the game of the year is that between England and Scotland; other internationals pale before the great game, which is really rather a pity.

    NED-GER 4-4, 5.4.1914, Amsterdam, Attendance: 22,100
    goals: Vos, Buitenweg 2, Lotsij / Queck, Jäger, Harder, Wegele

    Scottish Cup Final, Celtic-Hibernian 0-0, 11.4.1914, Glasgow, Ibrox Park, Attendance: 56,000
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Final replay, Celtic-Hibernian 4-1, 16.4.1914, Glasgow, Ibrox Park, Attendance: 40,000
    goals: McColl 2, Browning 2 / Smith
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Final, Burnley-Liverpool 1-0, 25.4.1914, Crystal Palace, London, Attendance: 72,800
    goals: Freeman 57'
    best players: ?

    Football League, Aston Villa-Middlesbrough 1-3, 25.4.1914, Birmingham, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    NED-BEL 4-2, 26.4.1914, Amsterdam, Attendance: 28,200
    goals: Buitenweg 2, Vos, Dé Kessler / Van Cant, Nisot

    AUT-HUN 2-0, 3.5.1914, Prater Sportplatz, Vienna, Attendance: 19,600
    goals: Fischera 2

    Glasgow Charity Cup, Celtic-Third Lanark 6-0, 12.5.1914, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: McMenemy 2, Dodds, McColl, Johnstone, McMaster.
    best players: ?

    DEN-NED 4-3, 17.5.1914, Copenhagen, Attendance: 13,000
    goals: Poul Nielsen 3, Sophus Nielsen / de Groot, Buitenweg 2

    Ferencváros-Celtic 2-2, 17.5.1914, Üllői út, Budapest, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: Borbás, Payer / McMenemy, ?
    Ferencváros-Burnley 3-1, 24.5.1914, Üllői út, Budapest, Attendance: 12,000
    goals: Schlosser 2, Borbás / Lindley
    Rapid-Burnley 1-3, 31.5.1914, Vienna, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?

    HUN-FRA 5-1, 31.5.1914, Üllői út, Budapest, Attendance: 14,000
    goals: Bodnár 2, Pataki, Payer / Brouzes

    DEN-ENG* 3-0, 5.6.1914, Copenhagen, Attendance: 18,500
    goals: Knudsen, Sophus Nielsen, Poul Nielsen
    The match is a full international for Denmark, but not for England, who played with their amateur side.
     
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  2. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Additions in red.


    ARG-URU 2-1, 9.7.1913, Avellaneda, Attendance: 12,500
    goals: Pedro Gonzalez 2 / Bastos

    ARG-URU 4-0, 15.8.1913, Avellaneda, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Susan 4

    Select Brazilians 1 Corinthians 2, 24.8.1913, Rio

    Football League, Aston Villa-Blackburn Rovers 1-3, 13.9.1913, Birmingham, Attendance: 45,000
    goals: Stephenson / Bradshaw (pen), Shea, Chapman
    best players: Hardy (gk) / Shea, Chapman, Latheron

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers-Middlesbrough 6-0, 20.9.1913, Blackburn, Attendance: 30,000
    goals: Chapman 3, Shea 3
    best players: Shea, Chapman

    Football League,Sunderland 2 Aston Villa 0, 20.9.1913, Sunderland
    Attendance: 30,000
    Goals: Holley 2
    Best Players: Holley / Hardy (gk)


    URU-ARG 1-0, 5.10.1913, Montevideo, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Vallarino

    FA Charity Shield, Professionals-Amateurs 7-2, 6.10.1913, The Den, London, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Hampton 4, Holley 2, Fleming / Barlow, Farnfield
    best players: Hampton, Holley

    Scottish League, Rangers-Celtic 0-2, 25.10.1913, Glasgow, Ibrox Park, Attendance: 64,000
    goals: McAtee, Whitehead
    best players: Duncan / Johnstone, McNair, Shaw (gk), Gallacher

    HUN-AUT 4-3, 26.10.1913, Üllői út, Budapest, Attendance: 32,000
    goals: Kertész 2, Hlavay, Pataki / Schwarz, Merz, Dittrich

    GER-DEN 1-4, 26.10.1913, Hamburg, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Jäger / Nielsen 4

    URU-ARG 1-0, 26.10.1913, Montevideo, Attendance: 12,500
    goals: Gorta

    ENG*-NED 2-1, 15.11.1913, Kingston upon Hull, Attendance: 14,000
    goals: Knight, Woodward / Boutmy
    The match is a full international for the Netherlands, but not for England, who played with their amateur side.

    Football League, West Bromwich 2 Blackburn 0, 15.11.1913, West Bromwich
    Attendance: 35,000
    Goals: Shearman, Buck
    Best players: Jephcott, Shearman / Crompton


    Football League, Chelsea 2 Derby 1, 15.11.1913, London
    Attendance: 35,000
    Goals: Freeman, Whittingham / Walker
    Best players: Freeman, Fairgray / Neve, Grimes
    Nils Middelboe made his debut for Chelsea and was appointed captain. The Daily Citizen reported that he “played a fine game in the first half, although he often hesitated far too long before tackling his man. In the second half he was not so prominent, the pace being too fast for him. His passes, however, were always excellently judged.”


    Football League, Middlesbrough-Aston Villa 5-2, 20.12.1913, Middlesbrough, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Tinsley 3, Elliott, J Carr / Stephenson 2
    best players: Tinsley


    Scottish League, Celtic-Rangers 4-0, 1.1.1914, Glasgow, Celtic Park, Attendance: 75,000
    goals: Browning 2, Young, McMenemy
    best players: McMenemy, Shaw (gk) /

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers-Aston Villa 0-0, 3.1.1914, Blackburn, Attendance: 20,000
    goals: ?
    best players: Robinson (gk), Shea, Latheron / Hardy (gk), Wallace, Whittaker

    FA Cup 1st round, Blackburn Rovers-Middlesbrough 3-0, 10.1.1914, Blackburn, Attendance: 25,395
    goals: Aitkenhead 3
    best players: Crompton, Cowell, Aitkenhead / Elliott

    ITA-AUT 0-0, 11.1.1914, Milan, Attendance: 15,000

    Football League, Middlesbrough-Blackburn Rovers 3-0, 17.1.1914, Middlesbrough, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Elliott 3 (1 pen)
    best players: Williamson (gk), Elliott / Crompton

    British Home Championship, WAL-IRL 1-2, 19.1.1914, The Racecourse, Wrexham, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: 0:1 (11') Gillespie, 0:2 (70') Gillespie, 1:2 (80') Evan Jones
    best players: Vizard / McKie (gk), McConnell, Harris

    British Home Championship, ENG-IRL 0-3, 14.2.1914, Middlesbrough, Ayresome Park, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: Lacey 6’, Gillespie 36’, Lacey 80’
    best players: Hardy (gk) / Lacey, Thompson, McConnell, Craig, O'Connell
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1913-14/M0117Ire1914.html
    reserves: The Wednesday FC's Tom Brittleton and Sunderland AFC's George Holley.
    Ireland beat England at Middlesbrough on Saturday by three goals to none. Their victory, which is the first which they have gained on English soil, was thoroughly deserved in every respect, for they outplayed their opponents at all points, and their pace, dash, and skill afforded a most pleasing contrast to the dull, spasmodic efforts of the home country.

    British Home Championship, SCO-WAL 0-0, 28.2.1914, Glasgow, Celtic Park, Attendance: 10,000
    best players: Brownlie (gk), Dodds, Donaldson / Peers (gk), Jennings, Lloyd Davis

    British Home Championship, IRL-SCO 1-1, 14.3.1914, Windsor Park, Belfast, Attendance: 31,000
    goals: 0-1 Donnachie (70), 1-1 Young (89)
    best players: Craig, O'Connell, Thompson, Lacey / Donnachie, Wilson, McNair, Thomson

    BEL-NED 2-4, 15.3.1914, Antwerp, Attendance: 18,000
    goals: Brébart 2 / Dé Kessler 2, Westra, Francken

    British Home Championship, WAL-ENG 0-2, 16.3.1914, Cardiff, Ninian Park, Attendance: 17,600
    goals: Smith 50', Wedlock 70'
    best players: Russell, Meredith, Wynn / Hardy (gk), Crompton, Mosscrop, Joe Smith
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1913-14/M0118Wal1914.html
    Ted Vizard injured his right ankle and retired. He did try to carry on, returning to the field, but ultimately, he had to retire after forty minutes play.

    Football League, Aston Villa 0 Oldham 0, 18.3.1914, Birmingham
    Attendance: 20,000
    Best Players: / Donnachie


    Football League-Scottish League 2-3, 21.3.1914, Turf Moor, Burnley, Attendance: 38,000
    goals: 1-0 Nellies (6 min.), 2-0 Boyle (penalty, 15 min.), 2-1 Croal (48 min.), 2-2 Croal (58 min.), 2-3 Reid (75 min.)
    best players: McMenemy, Croal, Shaw (gk), McNair / Hardy (gk), Crompton

    FA Cup Semi-final, Burnley-Sheffield United 0-0, 28.3.1914, Old Trafford, Manchester, Attendance: 55,813
    goals: ?
    best players: Nesbit, Freeman / Kitchen, English

    FA Cup Semi-final, Liverpool-Aston Villa 2-0, 28.3.1914, White Hart Lane, London, Attendance: 27,464
    goals: Nicol 2
    best players: Nicol

    ITA-FRA 2-0, 29.3.1914, Turin, Attendance: 15,000
    goals: Berardo, Cevenini

    FA Cup Semi-final replay, Burnley-Sheffield United 1-0, 1.4.1914, Goodison Park, Liverpool, Attendance: 30,000
    goals: Boyle
    best players: Sewell (gk) /

    British Home Championship, SCO-ENG 3-1, 4.4.1914, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 105,000
    goals: Thomson 4', McMenemy 50', Reid 67' / Fleming 15'
    best players: McMenemy, Thomson, Gordon, Hay, McNair / Crompton
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1913-14/M0119Sco1914.html
    There was no championship at stake on Saturday, the Association Championship had been annexed by Ireland already. But as in the Calcutta Cup at Rugby football, so at Association, the game of the year is that between England and Scotland; other internationals pale before the great game, which is really rather a pity.
    Scotland were by far the better side and could have won more easily had they not played exhibition football towards the end.

    NED-GER 4-4, 5.4.1914, Amsterdam, Attendance: 22,100
    goals: Vos, Buitenweg 2, Lotsij / Queck, Jäger, Harder, Wegele

    Scottish Cup Final, Celtic-Hibernian 0-0, 11.4.1914, Glasgow, Ibrox Park, Attendance: 56,000
    best players: McAtee, Shaw (gk), McMaster / Allan (gk), Girdwood, Paterson, Templeton

    Scottish Cup Final replay, Celtic-Hibernian 4-1, 16.4.1914, Glasgow, Ibrox Park, Attendance: 40,000
    goals: McColl 2, Browning 2 / Smith
    best players: McColl

    FA Cup Final, Burnley-Liverpool 1-0, 25.4.1914, Crystal Palace, London, Attendance: 72,800
    goals: Freeman 57'
    best players: Freeman / Lacey

    Football League, Aston Villa-Middlesbrough 1-3, 25.4.1914, Birmingham, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: Bache / Tinsley 2, Elliott
    best players: Elliott

    Football League, Oldham 2 Sunderland 1, 25.4.1914, Oldham
    Attendance: 12,000
    Goals: Wilson, Gee / Cringan
    Best players: Donnachie, Charlie Roberts / Buchan


    NED-BEL 4-2, 26.4.1914, Amsterdam, Attendance: 28,200
    goals: Buitenweg 2, Vos, Dé Kessler / Van Cant, Nisot

    AUT-HUN 2-0, 3.5.1914, Prater Sportplatz, Vienna, Attendance: 19,600
    goals: Fischera 2

    Glasgow Charity Cup, Celtic-Third Lanark 6-0, 12.5.1914, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: McMenemy 2, Dodds, McColl, Johnstone, McMaster.
    best players: McMenemy

    DEN-NED 4-3, 17.5.1914, Copenhagen, Attendance: 13,000
    goals: Poul Nielsen 3, Sophus Nielsen / de Groot, Buitenweg 2

    Ferencváros-Celtic 2-2, 17.5.1914, Üllői út, Budapest, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: Borbás, Payer / McMenemy, ?

    Ferencváros-Burnley 3-1, 24.5.1914, Üllői út, Budapest, Attendance: 12,000
    goals: Schlosser 2, Borbás / Lindley

    Copenhagen 3 Liverpool 3, 24.5.1914, Copenhagen

    Denmark Select 1 Liverpool 7, 26.5.1914, Copenhagen

    Hungary Select 0 Burnley 2, 27.5.1914, Budapest
    Goals: Freeman, Nesbitt
    Both sides missed a lot of scoring chances.


    Rapid-Burnley 1-3, 31.5.1914, Vienna, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?

    HUN-FRA 5-1, 31.5.1914, Üllői út, Budapest, Attendance: 14,000
    goals: Bodnár 2, Pataki, Payer / Brouzes

    Vienna Select 3 Burnley 0, 1.6.1914, Vienna
    Attendance: 6,000
    According to the Burnley Express, Burnley were beaten “by a good team, which one might classify as being equal to a good many English teams.”


    DEN-ENG* 3-0, 5.6.1914, Copenhagen, Attendance: 18,500
    goals: Knudsen, Sophus Nielsen, Poul Nielsen
    The match is a full international for Denmark, but not for England, who played with their amateur side.
    Sophus Nielsen was in the middle of a spell with German club Holstein Kiel. In 18 games for them between 1913 and 1915 he scored 72 goals.

    Argentine League 0 Exeter City 3, 9.7.1914, Buenos Aires

    Argentina Select 0 Exeter City, 0, 11.7.1914, Buenos Aires

    Argentine League 1 Exeter City 3, 12.7.1914, Buenos Aires

    Brazil Select 2 Exeter City 0, 21.7.1914, Rio
    Goals: Gomes, Osman


    English football is widely reported to be in decline, due to a lack of top-class players and an over-reliance on physical strength and trying to do everything quickly.


    Newspaper sources: Daily Mirror, The Sportsman, Birmingham Daily Gazette, Birmingham Daily Post, Birmingham Mail, Burnley Express, Daily Citizen, Exeter and Plymouth Gazette, Huddersfield Daily Examiner, Leeds Mercury, Leicester Daily Post, Newcastle Daily Chronicle, Nottingham Journal, Sheffield Daily Telegraph, Western Morning News, Yorkshire Post, Daily Record, Dundee Courier, The Scotsman, Scottish Referee, Belfast News-Letter.

    Sources are from the British Newspaper Archive, managed by the British Library Board.
     
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  3. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Suggested best XI 1913-14 (2-3-5):

    Hardy - Crompton, De Vecchi - Gordon, Thomson, O'Connell - Lacey, McMenemy, Sophus Nielsen, Schlosser, Donnachie.
     
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  4. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are my nominees for this season.

    23 Man Shortlist

    Craig, Alexander IRL Morton
    Crompton, Robert ENG Blackburn Rovers
    De Vecchi, Renzo ITA Genoa
    Donnachie, Joseph SCO Oldham Athletic
    Elliot, George ENG Middlesbrough
    Gallacher, Patrick IRL Celtic
    Gordon, James SCO Rangers
    Hardy, Samuel ENG Aston Villa
    Harris, Valentine IRL Everton
    Holley, George ENG Sunderland
    Lacey, William IRL Liverpool
    Latheron, Edward ENG Blackburn Rovers
    McConnell, William IRL Bohemians
    McMenemy, James SCO Celtic
    McNair, Alexander SCO Celtic
    Middelboe, Nils DEN Kjøbenhavns Boldklub / Chelsea
    Nielsen, Sophus DEN B.K. Frem / Kiel
    O'Connell, Patrick IRL Hull City
    Schlosser, Imre HUN Ferencváros
    Shaw, Charles SCO Celtic
    Shea, Daniel ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Thompson, Frank IRL Clyde
    Thomson, Charles SCO Sunderland

    I have chosen seven Irishmen, some of them playing in rather obscure clubs, but they won the British Home Championships. The majority of players still comes from the British Isles, because of the shortage of alternatives.

    The tours of British clubs in 1913 and 1914 showed they were still better then their Continental opponents. Barcelona, apparently the best Spanish team, could not even overcome Crook Town in three matches at home. In 1914 they lost all three matches at home against Notts County.

    The tour of Exeter showed even a Southern League Club was better than teams from the Argentine league. I see no reason to include an Argentine player this season. Previous posters have occasionally included Alberto Ohaco even in the Top 3 (apparently, because he was top goalscorer in these years in Argentina), but this season he had just one cap without goals. He could not score in the national team next year, either.
    Based on national team statistics, the best player from Uruguay was Lucio Gorta (3 goals in 5 caps), far ahead of Piendibene. But Gorta is not well known, not even his club is known to me.
    Friedenreich may have played well in the match against Exeter, but the Brazil national team did not play this season, and was regarded a class below Argentina or Uruguay.

    Top 3:
    1. Crompton, Robert ENG Blackburn Rovers
    2. Hardy, Samuel ENG Aston Villa
    3. McMenemy, James SCO Celtic
     
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  5. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    It is curious how some sources agree to highlight the figure of Ohaco. Win the Argentine title with 11 wins and a draw in 12 games, scoring a total of 20 goals (including 4 to Boca Juniors), which makes him top scorer of that championship.
    Schlosser lowers its scoring production with both the Hungarian team and Ferencvaros; However, he remains the top scorer of the championship.
    Regarding Sophus Nielsen, I have not been able to verify too much data. However, his compatriot, Poul Nielsen signs spectacular records. Win the Danish championship (I have not been able to find out the number of goals) and with respect to the Danish national team: play 4 games, win them all and score 14 goals! In my modest opinion, if only with this data, it seems more appropriate than Sophus to be part of the top 23.
     
  6. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Thanks for your suggestions.
    The problem is we do not have descriptions of individual matches from contemporary sources outside the British Isles.
    I cannot speak Spanish, perhaps you should investigate why some sources agree to highlight the figure of Ohaco. I do not know the contemporary sources, only the opinion of some forum members from recent years. Perhaps they just took a look at this goalscoring records.
    However, as I mentioned in my previous post, Argentina and Spain was still way below the British standards in 1914.

    I have the same problem with Danish. Poul Nielsen indeed scored many goals in the national team this season. However, 10 of his goals came against the rather weak German and Swedish sides in matches when Sophus Nielsen did not play (I do not know why).
    Still, if other posters agree, we could move him into the Top 23, but then we have to remove a British player.
    Possible candidates to remove include Gallacher, Latheron, Holley, or perhaps some of the Irishmen, McConnell or Thompson.
     
  7. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Ohaco was leading goalscorer in the Argentine AAF championship four years running from 1912 to 1915. However he was only selected twice by the national team up to July 1915. One of those occasions was during the August 1913 to July 1914 timeframe when Argentina played four matches. Argentina played 17 games between 1912 and July 1915, during which time the Argentine selectors do not appear to have rated Ohaco very highly. He played more regularly for the national team from 1916 but was never again the leading league goalscorer.

    Sophus Nielsen scored 72 goals in 18 matches for Holstein Kiel in Germany between 1913 and 1915. He was considered a better all-round footballer than his namesake Poul, who was more of a specialist goalscorer operating against variable opposition.

    In the Top 23 Poul "Tist" Nielsen might replace one of the British players mentioned. Personally I would keep the Irishmen McConnell and Thompson, who were key men in Ireland's historic winning of the Home International Championship.
     
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  8. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Impressive the average of Sophus Nielsen. The truth is that I could not find too much information about this player. In fact, only the data in the national team. I would be very interested in knowing if there is any website where you can increase this information.
    Regarding Ohaco, the sources I referred to are those of other colleagues who also collaborate in this forum, since I have not yet been able to find out, for example, the reason why I did not participate with the Argentine national team during these years.
    Thank you.
     
  9. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    In a special issue of "El Gráfico" this brief mention is made of Alberto Ohaco, in which it is clarified that this player stood out, fundamentally, as a club player.
    In any case, it should be clarified that during the years 1913 and 1914, very few were the players who had continuity in the national team. In fact, between one match and the next, the changes in the lineups were majority. Ohaco, in particular, played his second international match in August 1913, in the match in which Argentina won by 4 to 0 to Uruguay and in which Susán scored the 4 goals, the referee being his own brother :) :); It took exactly two years before he played his third game with Argentina.


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  10. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Links to Sophus Nielsen. Text is much the same in each link.

    Dates shown with Holstein Kiel are incorrect. He was there for the 1913-14 and 1914-15 seasons.

    https://peoplepill.com/people/sophus-nielsen/

    https://wiki2.org/en/Sophus_Nielsen
     
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  11. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC

    Final results for this season.

    23 Man Shortlist

    Craig, Alexander IRL Morton
    Crompton, Robert ENG Blackburn Rovers
    De Vecchi, Renzo ITA Genoa
    Donnachie, Joseph SCO Oldham Athletic
    Elliot, George ENG Middlesbrough
    Gallacher, Patrick IRL Celtic
    Gordon, James SCO Rangers
    Hardy, Samuel ENG Aston Villa
    Harris, Valentine IRL Everton
    Holley, George ENG Sunderland
    Lacey, William IRL Liverpool
    Latheron, Edward ENG Blackburn Rovers
    McConnell, William IRL Bohemians
    McMenemy, James SCO Celtic
    McNair, Alexander SCO Celtic
    Middelboe, Nils DEN Kjøbenhavns Boldklub / Chelsea
    Nielsen, Sophus DEN B.K. Frem / Kiel
    O'Connell, Patrick IRL Hull City
    Schlosser, Imre HUN Ferencváros
    Shaw, Charles SCO Celtic
    Shea, Daniel ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Thompson, Frank IRL Clyde
    Thomson, Charles SCO Sunderland

    Top 3:
    1. Crompton, Robert ENG Blackburn Rovers
    2. Hardy, Samuel ENG Aston Villa
    3. McMenemy, James SCO Celtic

    Best XI (2-3-5):
    Hardy - Crompton, De Vecchi - Gordon, Thomson, O'Connell - Lacey, McMenemy, Sophus Nielsen, Schlosser, Donnachie.
     
  12. TerjeC

    TerjeC Member

    None
    Norway
    Nov 19, 2023
    Norway
    #12 TerjeC, Nov 27, 2023
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2023
    Worth a read: https://www.lfchistory.net/Articles/Article/119 'Why Villa lost the Cup, by Ephraim Longworth' (Liverpool defender)

    Dream 23 squad, 1913-14

    Goalkeepers
    James Brownlie (Third Lanark)
    Sam Hardy (Aston Villa)
    Charles Shaw (Celtic)

    Full backs
    Alexander McNair (Celtic)
    Robert Crompton (Blackburn)
    Joseph Dodds (Celtic)
    Jesse Pennington (West Bromwich)

    Half backs
    Charles Roberts (Oldham)
    Charles Thomson (Sunderland)
    James Gordon (Rangers)
    James Hay (Newcastle)
    Valentine Harris (Everton)

    Wingers
    William Lacey (Liverpool)
    Joseph Donnachie (Oldham)
    John Simpson (Blackburn)
    Edward Vizard (Bolton)

    Inside forwards
    Patrick Gallagher (Celtic)
    Joseph Smith (Bolton)
    Harold Fleming (Swindon)
    Daniel Shea (Blackburn)
    James McMenemy (Celtic)

    Strikers
    George Elliott (Middlesbrough)
    William Reid (Rangers)

    Nationality
    Scotland (11/23), England (8/23),
    Ireland (3/23), Wales (1/23).

    Club
    Celtic (5/23), Blackburn (3/23), Oldham (2/23),
    Rangers (2/23), Bolton (2/23), Third Lanark (1/23),
    Aston Villa (1/23), WBA (1/23), Sunderland (1/23),
    Newcastle (1/23), Everton (1/23), Liverpool (1/23),
    Swindon (1/23), Middlesbrough (1/23).

    League
    English League (15/23) [Southern League (1/23)]
    Scottish League (8/23)

    Dream Team 1913-14, 2-3-5:
    Jimmy Brownlie (Third Lanark) - Bob Crompton (Blackburn), Alec McNair (Celtic) - Jimmy Gordon (Rangers), Charlie Thomson (Sunderland), Charlie Roberts (Oldham) - Patsy Gallagher (Celtic), Harold Fleming (Swindon), Danny Shea (Blackburn), Joe Smith (Bolton), Bill Lacey (Liverpool).
     

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