Best XI of the last 25 years?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Rollins, Nov 12, 2003.

  1. Penarol1916

    Penarol1916 Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Chicago, IL
    The fact that you take that a Brasil partisan is saying that playing for Brasil means more than playing for Germany to back you up, shows how paranoid you are on this subject. Of course he's going to be biased. I've admitted, occassionally you get an overexposre backlash against a player, such as Beckham, where it is hard to rate someone fairly, but come on, you are being totally paranoid.
     
  2. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Maradona is the only player to make everybody's first team on this thread.

    I guess that makes him the consensus best player of the last 25 years.
     
  3. Enganche

    Enganche Red Card

    Apr 30, 2003
    Ok let me add my two cents to this thread. If we are choosing a Best XI since 1978 here is my team:

    GK: Dino Zoff

    RB: Manuel Amoros
    CB: Franco Baresi
    CB: Daniel Passarella
    LB: Roberto Carlos

    DMF: Lothar Matthaus
    AMF: Michel Platini
    LMF: Zinedine Zidane
    RMF: Ruud Gullitt

    FOR: Diego Maradona
    CF: Marco Van Basten


    Second XI:

    GK: Peter Schmeichel

    RB: Lilian Thuram
    CB: Frank Rijkaard
    CB: Marcel Desailly
    LB: Paolo Maldini

    DMF: Dunga
    CMF: Zico
    LMF: Ryan Giggs
    RMF: Pierre Littbarski

    FOR: Roberto Baggio
    CF: Gabriel Batistuta
     
  4. Dark Savante

    Dark Savante Member

    Apr 24, 2002
    Become the Tea Pot!!
    :mad:

    This is what i said in it's full, double paragrahphed, unchopped state:



    If you wish to post up a Zico vs Rumenigge thread you will find 'your' man heavily crushed. To be remebered as a great number 10 in Brasilian football history is probably one of the highest achievements in the game. Germany have had some great foward but not as many as Brasil.

    Being arguably the second best German striker behind Gerd Muller is great. Being a legendary number 10 for Brasil is exceptional same as if this poll was about best defenders..I wouldn't put the Brazilian on par with the German because Brazil haven't produced as many great defenders as Germany.


    furthermore:


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    Originally posted by soccerfreak #1

    And I so hate this shite.
    Why are Brazilians always rated higher than Europeans, even if they don´t win anything??

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    'Winning things' does not automatically make you great. I suppose in some instances it's used to concrete a players position in the echelons of time, but, sometimes even the very best are tainted with bad luck.

    Brazilians are in no way rated higher than Europeans, if anything a Brazilian attacker has so much more to prove and better that it is hard for him to become rated..Look at Rivaldo..By European standards he's been a great player. In his homeland he's like a ghost, never mentioned for anything but criticism.

    A good Brazilian defender however, will get alot more merit for a lesser achievement in Brazil then he would if he were European.


    So where does what I wrote imply a bias either way? Do you disagree with this?

    Brasil's production of legendary offensive players is unmatchable so you have to be something extremely special to even get your head above water. The European equivalents of this is Germany's production of superb defensive mdfielders and sweepers and Italy's staunch defenders.... no?

    It's as much of an oddity for Brasil to produce truly great defenders as it is for Europe to have strikers that at any one time are better than their South American counterparts...Both things happen, but very rarely. In my opinion, of course :rolleyes:

    *hopes to not be dragged further into a debate that doesn't concern him. Hmmph.
     
  5. soccerfreak #1

    soccerfreak #1 New Member

    Oct 6, 2003
    Cologne
    Oh, and europeans don´t have the same problems?

    Then why is Bernd Schuster such a small name in Germany but in Spain a star?

    Or what about Eric Cantona? ManU´s player of the century.....

    And to call Rivaldo a big number in europe after his last season for Milan is, is, is......

    let me call it: interesting........

    Before the world cup he definitly was a big one, but he also scored 5 goals for them in the WC, so I don´t think they just criticised him.....
     
  6. Dark Savante

    Dark Savante Member

    Apr 24, 2002
    Become the Tea Pot!!
    :)

    What 'problems'are you reffering to?

    Riddle me this, riddle me that, you tell me, why is that? I don't know what precisely you are trying to get at here. Best you just tell me and save us some time!

    What about him? :confused:

    Rivaldo has never ever had any respect in Brasil, even at the peak of his powers in '99 he wasn't respected. Any other country but Brasil would have heaped praise on him. When Rivaldo's career is finished he won't be anywhere near th top of Brazil's number 10 hall of fame gallery. In which other country would a prolific number 10 who won the world cup be in such a predicament?
     
  7. ctruppi

    ctruppi Member

    May 7, 1999
    Annandale, NJ
    These topics are very interesting, and it's amazing how many people have Giggs on their list but miss 2 left wing/mf players who IMHO were far superior to Giggs. One is Bruno Conti who could dribble circles around Giggs and was a great crosser of the ball (almost as good as Beckham). He was Italy's best player in winning the '82 WC - I know Rossi was the big name and rec'd all the praise, but take it from an Italian, Conti stole the show in Spain. The other is Donadoni who was impressive in all facets with the great Milan teams: dribbling, passing, defensive abilities. He was a cornerstone of 3 CL champion teams (before you say Gullit & Van Basten, he won the 3rd w/o those guys). His Italy resume is pretty solid too. Euro Cup semi's in 88, WC semi's in '90, WC final 94. His biggest problem is that he was always an incredibly silent performer on teams that had high-visibility stars. But, believe someone who watched many MIlan games and every Italy game during that period, quite often he was better in those matches than all the big names.

    Another player I haven't seen too often and for whom shining his shoes would be a high honor to the likes of Keane and Davids is Roberto Falcao who simply put, was one of the greatest players I've ever seen, PERIOD!! His control of the mf was legendary and he was equally impressive on D as well as on the attack.

    My 11:

    Scmeichel

    Thuram - Baresi - Sammer - Maldini

    Falcao
    Zidane Donadoni
    Platini

    Maradona Van Basten
     
  8. jlo

    jlo New Member

    May 18, 2000
    Baton Rouge, LA
    Actually, I did, but only in the '98 world cup. I thought he was the best player on the field against France. Are you saying that he isn't any good?
     
  9. soccerfreak #1

    soccerfreak #1 New Member

    Oct 6, 2003
    Cologne
    I don´t say he is not good at all, but a keeper is judged by how little mistakes he does and not how many good things he does.

    Chilavert was always good for a goal, on both sides of the pitch...

    In SA that was enough, cause his teams were always abled to compensate this mistakes, but in europe every mistake can decide the game.
    Thats why he failed in Strassbourg.

    Strassbourg just ain´t Velez Sarsfield.
     
  10. soccerfreak #1

    soccerfreak #1 New Member

    Oct 6, 2003
    Cologne
    The problem all these players have in common is that they don´t get the respect they deserve in their home-country.
    And even if Rivaldo isn´t liked a lot, he was still essential for their NT!!!
    He helped them during the quali process and he was a key player in the WC.
    He even decided the final with his superb shot, that Kahn couldn´t handle, so that Ronaldo just had to do the easy finish.

    Not beeing liked, has nothing to do with not being important.

    And the cases of Schuster and Cantona are a lot more dramatic, cause they meant NOTHING for their NT, despite being top stars for european top clubs.
     
  11. true_smokerxiii

    true_smokerxiii New Member

    Oct 31, 2003
    texas
    best XI of the last 25 years

    the best of the last 25 years would be

    Maldini

    Nesta------ ------Roberto Carlos

    Baresi

    beckham--- Maradona---Zidane---Simeone


    Romario-----------Ronaldo
     
  12. Luther_Gabriel

    Luther_Gabriel New Member

    Sep 3, 2002

    After reading through everyone's posts, here is my revised XI with subs and reserves:


    --- Schmeichel ---

    Thuram --- Baresi --- Maldini --- Roberto Carlos

    --- Keane ---

    --- Maradona --- Zidane --- Platini

    --- Ronaldo --- Van Basten


    Subs: Kahn, Cafu, Desailly, Matthaus, Gullitt, Baggio, Romario

    Reserves: Buffon, Sammer, Rijkaard, Giggs, Rivaldo, Cantona, Batistuta
     
  13. billyireland

    billyireland Member+

    May 4, 2003
    Sydney, Australia
    Re: best XI of the last 25 years

    Don't mean to be ragging on your chord newbie, but what formation is that? 1-2-1-4-2? You forgot the pick a goalie, the selection of Simeone is questionable, and Beckham does nto belong (he's a very good player, but not world class... never mind over a 25 year span).
     
  14. Penarol1916

    Penarol1916 Member

    Apr 22, 2002
    Chicago, IL
    Re: Re: best XI of the last 25 years

    There you go with your anti-English bias ;)
     

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