As has been covered previously I think maradona 82/83 Is the most underrated season of his career Just Imagine advanced statistics were available Maradona was a WAY more prolific dribbler here then he'd been in any season after He also offered tier 1 legendary playmaking For example I think he was a more accomplished playmaker at 22 years old than prime ronaldinho or Lionel messi 2009-2012 He also had arguably his best performances in Europe whilst playing for Barcelona The elo ranking of la liga may go against him but heck he joined a relegation team napoli two seasons later in the best league in the world and was MVP This version of maradona in his athletic prime would today be a 30+ goals+25 assists player He recorded 20+ assists in like 57 games for a so so Barcelona team Imagine a team that averages 150+ goals per season
I can imagine but it wouldn't be higher than some Lionel Messi ratings in those whoscored ratings of life neither of Neymar's 17/18 season at PSG. According to Spanish Wiki he had 10 assists and 11 goals that season in 20 matches, Neymar for example had 19 goals and 13 assists for that PSG side and also completed 7.1 dribbles per match in the process, Maradona for the best dribbler he was, I can't see much more than those 7.1, probably less. Ronaldinho, for example, had 17 goals and 14 assists (wide rules = 18) in 29 La Liga matches in 2005/2006 that is equivalent numbers of Maradona in the 82/83 La Liga season, for example. Not sure how much dribbles he completed, but he completed a lot more than what people think. Probably over 4. Other point, was he really better than Prime Ronaldinho in terms of playmaking? I don't think Messi 2009-2012 was a better passer than Ronaldinho for example, the actual probably (2013-) is as good tho. Ronaldinho's vision, creativity and passing ability was a good as anyone. Messi, for example, just completed more throughballs per match in league than post-peak Ronaldinho completed in 2009/2010 Serie A in one season (2011/2012). Back to the subject, to be a great playmaker it is not only about passing, vision and creativity, if you have a good dribbling ability and make a lot of runs you are able to unlock defenses and it became much easier to create big oportunities to your teammates in the process.
Unequivocally so 45 mins long Maradona wasn't just one of the all time throughball and long ball specialists He was also one of the all time crossers He was also one of the most accurate passers from set piece alongside Roberto baggio The backheels,rabonas He could juggle the ball being tightly marked and still deliver a pinpoint cross assist He wasn't a clown(to just amuse the crowd) Maradona was a tier 1 playmaker whilst still in Argentina(as a teenager 79-81) He developed his playmaking skills much earlier then the likes of Messi/Cruyff/ADS Only platini,netzer and Messi are comparable Still I think maradona has a slight edge in playmaking over platini because he could create chances directly through his dribbling (not just vision) Maradona is also over Messi for longevity as a elite playmaker (messi has been at that level since 2015 maybe even the 2nd half of 13/14) I don't know if this the best playmaking performance in history (lofty claim) What I can say is he demonstrated decision making of the highest possible calibre I think it was perfect from that perspective As great as he was I don't think messi 2010/11 was a complete historic playmaker even though i did say (previously) he wasn't inferior at this stage to Micheal laudrup in throughballing
Ronaldinho wasn't a clown either if you are suggesting that (Ronaldinho prime was a better and a more effective dribbler and playmaker than Cristiano even was), his club season at 05/06 is arguably better (if not only more accomplishied) than any Maradona club season. I rate Ronaldinho, Zico, Platini as a better passers overall than him (throughball and long balls, also short passes), but it needs a better study. Messi since 2015 too. You have a point with him being a excellent crosser tho, but if that is the stardand to be a complete playmaker then Messi is not complete for exemple. I don't think Leo is a good crosser of the ball at all. I think if we are looking only to the passing ability arguably none of them can compare with proper elite midfielders like Fabregas, Kroos, Xavi, Ozil etc (Laudrup probably can enter in this category), Maradona, Messi these guys they are more riskier passers if something as they are forwards. About the rest: I can't rate properly the argentinian league (already drained in the end of 70s) to say Maradona was level 1 playmaker..Like Puck said, Maradona only started to became productive against top sides with 23 years old.
Btw, Neymar is not better passer than Ronaldinho, but being able to play agressive in a superteam and using more runs and dribbles to unlock defense he manages to create one big chance each 131 minutes since 01/01/2015 in the big five leagues, Phenomenal Lionel #Messi clearly at the top of the rankings for big chances created during last 5⃣ years in the big-5 European leagues: 1⃣5⃣8⃣, one every 9⃣0⃣ minutes💪 More in last @CIES_Football Weekly Post ➡️ https://t.co/MSqPTWbgxV pic.twitter.com/CfFQAuWDvE— CIES Football Obs (@CIES_Football) March 2, 2020 The fab 4⃣ of chance creators at the top of the table also for big-5 league matches played during last 3 years: #Messi ahead of @esmuellert @DeBruyneKev & #DiMaría 👏 Full data in last @CIES_Football Weekly Post ➡️ https://t.co/MSqPTWbgxV pic.twitter.com/JDQbArpYi1— CIES Football Obs (@CIES_Football) March 2, 2020
All those highlighted names were not in the same league as cesc fabregas when it comes to chance creation https://eplindex.com/32990/english-premier-league-missed-cesc-fabregas.html Roberto Baggio is a better playmaker as Gunther netzer Really? He wasnt even a better playmaker than Neymar Jr The playmaking abilities of baggio I have always found to be overstated and exaggerated As phenomenal as Cruyff was he needs a bit of a downgrade in this list He categorically wasn't a better playmaker as Zico or Michel platini Neither in his early 70s Ajax prime Or even after it Its another one of those popularity lists and badly researched IMO
Playmaking forwards League assists per 90 Minimum 5 league seasons And at least 15 league goals per season Lionel Messi 2008/09-2012/13 5 consecutive seasons 77 league assists 14109 minutes played 0.49 assists per 90 Luis Suarez 2012/13 - 2016/17 5 consecutive seasons 76 assists 14110 minutes played 0.48 assists per 90 Cristiano Ronaldo 2010/11-2014/15 5 consecutive seasons 64 league assists 14622 miniutes played 0.39 assists per 90 Thierry Henry 2002/03-2005/06 + 2008/09 5 seasons 63 league assists 14245 minutes played 0.39 assists per 90 Zlatan Ibrahimovic 2010/11 - 2014/15 5 consecutive seasons 56 league assists 13093 minutes played 0.38 assists per 90 Romario 1989/90-1993/94 5 seasons 35 league assists 9773 minutes played 0.32 assists per 90 Marco van basten does not have 5 consecutive seasons with 15 league goals So will include seasons 1983/84-1986/87 and also 1991/92 his best league campaign for Milan 35 league assists 12290 minutes played 0.25 assists per 90 Same again for Ronaldo de lima Doesn't have a 5 consecutive season run with 15 league goals Will include league seasons 1996/97 1997/98 1998/99 2002/03 2003/04 27 league assists 12612 mins played 0.19 assists per 90 Transfermarket assists used for post 2000 players Spanish Wikipedia assists used for pre 2000 era players
Why in bold? Are you angry or do you want seek attention since maybe you are not the most honest and fair guys here and/or your argument is not very intelligent? What is the reason? Transfermarkt is not correct, it gives you unverifiable informations that don't match with the reality and wrong data. Data from pre 2000 player is wrong and unverifiable. Btw, Romário had 29 assists in the Wiki Spanish between 1989 and 1994 liga stats, where you find the rest? https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romário#Clubes_2 Are you inventing the 35 number? This would not surprise me, since respectable members here have already said that you are a liar, it seems that Reputation is not exactly your strong point on this forum, as I understand it.
When was Cristiano Ronaldo a forward playmaker btw? All valuable matches against almost equal, equal or stronger teams. Ronaldo had 67 Goals (54 Non-PK Goals) and (at max) 8 Assists in 83 Matches. Data from Transfermarkt. Assist number 1 4:02 lol Assist number 2 I can't identify this assist here. OPTA credit Cristiano Ronaldo with 0 assists in the UCL tho. Also.. if Real Madrid had he not given up on the Spanish league in the 2008/2009 season (after the 2-6 to Barcelona), Marseille would probably not even qualify as a valuable opponent probably, but still. 67 Goals (54 Non-PK Goals), 6 Assists in 83 matches. Assist number 3 3:28 Pass to Ozil in the PK area! Assist number 4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSjcNyNVE98 Tells more about his athleticism and ball carrying ability than his playmaking ability. The shot was outside of the area. Assist number 5 10:10 Finished match. Cristiano Ronaldo doesn't even appear. Solo action from Marcelo. Assist number 6 6:25 Again tells more about his athleticism to receive the ball in the PK area than his playmaking or passing ability. Assist number 7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bVoNeSkYZc 2:55 Another quality assist to enter the statistics!! lol Assist number 8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHA-XPa6pHg Simple link up pass to Marcelo. 6 Assists in 83 Matches (none of them a great assist). Average 0.07 per match Football is not only a final pass tho, but still. This R9 assist vs Juventus (the best ranked team in the world) is better than all these 6 assists (in 83 matches with Real Madrid against decent/half-decent teams) together. Btw, if playmaking is only the final pass (THAT IS NOT, but let's say it is)... what in the CR7 data is impressive when between 2009-2018 THAT WAS THE AVERAGE? CR7 = 87 assists (whoscored) in 279.4 x 90 minutes = 0.31 per 90. Bale = 35 assists (whoscored) in 106.9 x 90 minutes = 0.327 per 90. Benzema = 67 assists (whoscored) in 204.4 x 90 minutes = 0.328 per 90. Di Maria = 49 assists (whoscored) in 89.4 x 90 minutes = 0.548 per 90. Kaka = 20 assists (whoscored) in 55.6 x 90 minutes = 0.36 per 90. Higuain = 23 assists (whoscored) in 79.7 x 90 minutes = 0.288 per 90 Ozil = 47 assists (whoscored) in 81.5 x 90 minutes = 0.576 per 90. James = 27 assists (whoscored) in 55.4 x 90 minutes = 0.487 per 90. Isco = 37 assists (whoscored) in 106.5 x 90 minutes = 0.347 per 90. Lucas Vazquez = 20 assists (whoscored) in 47.6 x 90 minutes = 0.42 per 90. Asensio = 8 assists (whoscored) in 32.4 x 90 minutes = 0.246 per 90. Attacking Midfielders/Forwards average assists per 90 minutes in La Liga between 2009 and 2018 = 0.385 per 90 Now, playmaking is not only the final pass. Cristiano Ronaldo was clearly less involved in build up plays than the ones of Di Maria, Kaka, Ozil, James, Isco and in the same level of the others. Cristiano Ronaldo especially at Real Madrid was a runner (more a 'ball mover' than a dribbler) and a goalscorer in big matches, much more a goalscorer than a runner since 2015. Forward/Wide Forward Goalscorer/Runner. Forward Playmakers in the last 15 years: De Bruyne, Messi, Neymar.
Respectable members have repped 1 in 50 of your posts I have repped the other 49 About Romario Spanish Wikipedia gives him 29 correct But I have been informed from others like bruford,Leadleader and greatstriker that romario made 14 wide assists in la liga 1993/94 So that leaves him with 35 assists Personal attacks Naughty boy I'm actually never angry 'Fair guys' on this forum have repped 1 in 50 of your posts You posted 1120 messages And recieved 279 reps I am telling that only 20% of that number has been approved by members not named Carlito Prove me wrong The Neymar vs Figo thread is illustrative of that point You can go several pages without receiving a single rep I feel guilty sometimes and rep you for the effort but that could change if you don't stop misbehaving Btw You made this personal I type in cap locks,italics,bold It means shit If you are intimidated by a style of text you need to grow some balls and maybe take some Brazilian jujitsu classes to toughen you up
You clearly have a hard on for Cristiano Ronaldo Do you know what the worst thing is mate You could type 1 million words saying he is the most overrated,egotistical,talentless player He would still retire as a 40 years old billionaire A top 5 undisputed all timer and most likely the most goals scored in history You will still be in your Amazonian internet cafe with flickering electricity and bad internet connection
What is bold used for? Bold strongly stands out from regular text, and is often used to highlight keywords important to the text's content. For example, printed dictionaries often use boldface for their keywords, and the names of entries can conventionally be marked in bold. BTW, Why do you think I care about likes? haha Maybe you do care about likes (since you are always talking about likes etc)... for me someone who cares about likes in a Internet forum is a *****, attention whore etc. I don't care about likes. Btw, are you a girl? The same members who like you comments when you **** their *****, says you are liar in other moments. That is not honor. Other than that if I wanted you likes it is like just saying some fantasy like Cristiano Ronaldo being a forward playmaker etc. Romario 14 wide assists or strict assists in 1993/1994? How do you know he don't have more wide or strict assists back in his Holland time btw? And if it is wide, then it is fine since Transfermarkt is also wide, including pre-assists, rebound assists etc. Take it easy bro. https://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au...f the short and,as eczema heart attack stroke. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honesty
Briefly Ronaldo is a playmaking forward for the sheer consistency of his ability to make the final pass/assist The fact that he was a high volume assister in his prime The fact that he was amongst the top 5 chance creators from 2006/07 till 2014/15 You are destroying a good thread with your insecurities You posted your BS charts on several threads Forcing them on conversations when they have no bearing Nobody gives a damn about these charts
So Romario did or did not make 35 league assists between 1988/89 to 1993/1994? You said it's an invention/lie Transfermarket does not include pre assists What a BUFFON
Are you angry, brother? I don't live in the Amazonia brother (I wish), in fact I live in a state that borders Argentina, it is like 3000 or 4000 kilometes from Amazona. And my internet is very good, brother.. 25Mbps, I don't know how it compares with first world countries, but it is enough to visit this forum and it is enough for me. Btw, this is a common xenophobic statement of yours. There are xenophobics members here, but all people know where they are from.... strangely nobody knows where you are from. And yes Cristiano Ronaldo would retire as billionaire, GOAT, god, whatever etc... but still as a mediocre playmaker.
Whoever cares about internet likes/approval is an attention seeking whore The 'significance' of being liked on an internet forum Having members agreeing with you Being 'respected' is something you have clearly attached importance to Here and many other places Are you a whore Stop being disingenuous I don't care for reps You do That's why I brought it up "Fair members don't agree with you" "Don't respect you" These things are mainly established with a rep (or lack of in your case) When I pointed the sheer irony of this That "fair members" haven't agreed with a single of your 200 posts on the Neymar Figo thread Now reps/approval/recognition becomes unimportant And whoever cares about it is a whore A complete 360 I'll stop here
"Becauzze reputationz, beingzz a fair individualz as a wholezzz equalzz (or mainlyzz estabilished by) likez/repz". Brother, on this page we can see you being a xenophobe, a liar, showing lack of depth in your thoughts, poor reasoning... and you still got angry in the process... all in only one page, that is probably a 'new low' of one Forum BigSoccer member... maybe you should just stop now, really... really. Cristiano Ronaldo playmaker He shouldn't even be mentioned.
Perhaps not for full career, but for peak a solid fit. 6 - Wesley Sneijder finished the 2009-10 season as the World Cup joint-top scorer (five goals) and as the player with the most assists in the 2009-10 Champions League (six). Peak. pic.twitter.com/n25MZUWFYg— OptaJohan (@OptaJohan) August 12, 2019 9 - On this day in 2010, Wesley Sneijder won the Champions League with Internazionale; @sneijder101010 scored or assisted more goals than any other player in the Champions League 2009-10 campaign (9 - 3 goals, 6 assists). Grand. pic.twitter.com/id8Qu0RyHi— OptaJohan (@OptaJohan) May 22, 2020 134 - Wesley Sneijder played a record 134 caps for the Netherlands and is also the player with the most assists for Oranje this century (33). Farewell. pic.twitter.com/diRNQ5Oi6o— OptaJohan (@OptaJohan) August 12, 2019 @PDG1978 @comme @carlito86 @Edhardy
The 2009/10 stat doesn't seem to be entirely accurate Messi was top scorer also with 9 goals Ronaldo had 7 open play goals (in 5 starts) With the wide assists(2)and secondary assist(1)it climbs to 10 direct goal involvements in 5 starts 3:56(a wicked secondary assist IMO) Heres a nice assist https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xanzan 3:03 Overall there seems to be no problem suggesting Wesley sneijder was top 4 overall in the CL 2009/10 with Messi,Milito and Cristiano With the production and deep run in world cup(as a captain) he makes my ballon dor shortlist No doubt But the fact remains that He needs that world cup performance way more than others https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1c27skPqTqQ https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/1...3277/PlayerStatistics/Italy-Serie-A-2009-2010 There were some super elite performers showcasing their talents that season https://mobile.twitter.com/WhoScored/status/1065537873238089728 https://miasanrot.com/magnificent-eleven/ wayne Rooney also(30+in all comps plus 5 CL KO goals ) Frank Lampard(his career best season arguably even stronger than when he finished runner up to Ronaldinho in 2005) https://mobile.twitter.com/Squawka/status/1250393684748537856 Fabregas also (his peak) Even on a lower tier ronaldinho was having a bit of a(short lived) renaissance at Milan and he is ranked higher as sniejder( in a domestic context) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yl2rM_D89MM 2010 was a really great year to be a football fan