Best 11 Right Now

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by LuckofLichaj, Oct 19, 2018.

  1. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i strongly prefer your format to best 11, @Eleven Bravo, and im a rotating throughout rather than "best 11 twice, backups once" guy- no one starts more than twice other than gk who doesnt need rotation.

    i didnt plan for each opponent specifically but i do have 3 different looks in mind...


    gk steffen
    gk horvath
    gk turner
    rb dest
    rb cannon
    cb brooks
    cb richards
    cb zimmerman
    cb mckenzie
    cb sands
    lb robinson
    lb vines
    dm adams
    dm acosta
    cm mckennie
    cm reyna
    cm musah
    rm weah
    rm aaronson
    st dike
    st sargent
    lm pulisic
    lm arriola


    balanced

    __________steffen__________
    _____richards____brooks____
    cannon_____________robinson
    _____mckennie___adams______
    weah_______reyna_____pulisic
    ___________dike____________

    robinson pushes up for width while pulisic moves inside, weah provides width on the right



    attacking

    __________steffen__________
    ___zimmerman____brooks_____
    dest_______________robinson
    __________adams___________
    ____mckennie____musah______
    weah________________pulisic
    ___________dike____________

    all out pressure in the middle, both fbs push forward on winning possession, adams drops back (just a note, this is exactly how i would play canada)



    defensive

    __________steffen__________
    __richards_sands_mckenzie__
    dest__________________vines
    ______musah____acosta______
    aaronson____________arriola
    __________sargent__________

    high press with the forward line, cms provide cover for backline, fbs push level with the midfield (you can look at it as a 343 if you want to feel trendier)



    injury concerns

    zimmerman- miazga
    musah- lletget
    dike- p-funk
    arriola- hoppe or pomykal
     
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  2. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, i can only speak for myself, but id start to seriously consider him for the first time?

    i mean, who tossed him away? he has 185 total minutes (in two more magical prem appearances than indiana vassilev a couple of years ago)- this is textbook eurosnobbery. look, training with the first team is great, but taylor booth is doing the same with bayern- you expecting him to start too? its a stretch for anyone to say training with the first team is the fast track to starter.

    not to mention right now id guess a half dozen wolves players are still on break from playing in the euros. was he not with the first team in preseason last year (was there a preseason last year)?

    if he starts getting even semi-regular sub minutes i think everybody will get real interested in a hurry. but i dont think theres anything going on worth getting all haughty about...
     
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  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    mine after recent developments...

    Starting 11:
    GK Zack Steffen
    LB Antonee Robinson
    CB John Brooks
    CB Chris Richards
    RB Sergino Dest (backup LB)
    DM Tyler Adams
    CM Yunus Musah
    CM Weston McKennie
    W Christian Pulisic
    W Gio Reyna
    FW Daryl Dike

    Full 23:
    GK Matt Turner
    GK Ethan Horvath
    RB Shaq Moore (Cannon/Richards)
    CB Mark McKenzie (Zimmerman/Long)
    CB/DM James Sands
    MF ???
    CM Sebastian Lletget (de la Torre)
    AM Brenden Aaronson
    W Tim Weah
    W Konrad de la Fuente (Morris)
    FW Josh Sargent
    FW Matthew Hoppe (Pefok)

    I don't know about the last midfield spot... Acosta/Williamson/Green/Booth/Tessmann/Busio/Cappis/Otasowie/etc.
     
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  4. schplade

    schplade Member

    May 29, 2015
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In that case, how about we keep Dest on the right, and play Konrad at left wingback? Would that hamper Dest's ability to get forward in any way? How similar is the role of the attack-minded wingback to the winger role that Konrad and Weah typically play for their clubs?
     
  5. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's my starting 11 other than FW. Not sold on Dike yet but not sold on anyone else yet really either. Gameday and matchup choice for me.
     
  6. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of note, do we count Sands as a CB or DM? I.e. should see being an extra midfielder or center back?
     
  7. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sands may be our utility knife. I don't see him beating out Richards or Long. I like his passing game and tenacious defending but I see him more of a Dmid.
     
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  8. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    personally, im thinking of him as adams' direct backup- so the designation isnt super important. that would be dependent on dropping the yueill/busio single pivot, though, which i cant imagine happening. so i think the question is do you include sands at the expense of only taking 2 st rather than 3?
     
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  9. FlipsLikeAPancake

    Jul 6, 2010
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes.
     
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  10. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paxton Pomykal has looked good a few games in a row, I would take him over all the guys I listed in my previous comment (Acosta/Williamson/Green/Booth/Tessmann/Busio/Cappis/Otasowie/etc.) if he can keep it up and just as importantly stay healthy.

    Also at this point Ricardo Pepi has to be in the FW conversation!

    Starting 11:
    GK Zack Steffen
    LB Antonee Robinson
    CB John Brooks
    CB Chris Richards
    RB Sergino Dest (backup LB)
    DM Tyler Adams
    CM Yunus Musah
    CM Weston McKennie
    W Christian Pulisic
    W Gio Reyna
    FW Daryl Dike

    Full 23:
    GK Matt Turner
    GK Ethan Horvath
    RB Shaq Moore (Cannon/Richards)
    CB Mark McKenzie (Zimmerman/Long)
    DM/CB James Sands
    CM Paxton Pomykal
    CM Sebastian Lletget (de la Torre)
    AM Brenden Aaronson
    W Tim Weah
    W Konrad de la Fuente (Morris)
    FW Josh Sargent
    FW Matthew Hoppe (Pefok/Pepi)
     
  11. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    Nevada
    Fitness levels and requirements don't allow for it, period. Even in congested tournaments, players typically only go twice in 4-5 days (Champions League and Domestic League action) and in international tournaments it's twice in 7-8 days. 3 in 6 is not physically possible. You have to choose how you want to use them.

    In window 1, you can either send the A midfield to Honduras and El Salvador, and start the B Midfield against Canada, or use a blended approach, you can't send your a side to all 3. It's not physically possible. The unfortunate thing is that what looked like a cake window, looks kinda scary these days after watching El Salvador's wake up performance at the Gold Cup. Really seems like Hugo has righted the ship completely since the pratfall against Montserrat.
     
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  12. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the time has come to give Hoppe a shot at the 9. I'd also seriously look at moving Gio back to a KDB-style 8 in the midfield. After watching the Gold Cup and Nations League, this team's biggest issue is the ability to create offensively. This "pump it into the mixer" stuff just isn't working, and I think our defense with McKennie and Adams will be good enough in most cases. If Gio has any ability whatsoever to be decent defensively, I think we need to give this a shot.

    GK - WIDE OPEN (If Turner can figure out how to even be a serviceable player with his feet, watch out - his shot-stopping is top-notch!!)
    Defenders - A. Robinson, Brooks, Richards, Dest
    Mids - McKennie, Adams, Reyna
    Forwards - Pulisic, Hoppe, Weah/Aaronson (Probably Weah for me as I think he's better at driving toward goal. Plus, I still really like the idea of Aaronson as a super-sub against tired defenses - kind of our Jack Grealish)

    If this team can figure it out offensively, it has every opportunity to qualify very comfortably for the World Cup.
     
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  13. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    For me, a big winner so far at the Gold Cup is Sargent. :)
    Cuz based on what I've seen, he's going to start the first WCQer.
     
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  14. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I agree, but a lot of people in GB’s orbit are saying today that Zardes is the best 9 in the pool.

    Because we really haven’t resolved a lot of the open questions, I suspect he brings in a big pool of players for World Cup qualifying. (Unless there is some limit on the number you can identify as in the pool.)

    Starting 11:
    GK Steffen
    LB A.Robinson
    CB Brooks
    CB Richards
    RB Dest
    DM Adams
    CM Musah
    CM McKennie
    W Pulisic
    W Reyna
    FW Hoppe or Sargent

    (or play Reyna as a 10 with Hoppe and Pulisic up top)

    Full 23:
    GK Turner
    GK Horvath
    RB Cannon
    CB McKenzie
    CB Zimmerman
    CB M. Robinson
    CM Williamson or Holmes or Busio — not Lleget
    DM Acosta
    AM Aaronson
    W Tim Weah
    W Morris or
    FW Zardes
    FW Whichever of Hoppe or Sargent doesn’t start
     
  15. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    If everyone were fit:

    ---------------------------Jordan/Zardes-----------
    ----------Pulisic/BA---------Reyna----------KDLF/Weah---
    ----------------Adams/Acosta----McKenzie/Musah---
    ---Robinson/Vines---------------------------------------Dest/Cannon----
    -------------Brooks/McKenzie----Richards/Zimmerman----
    ------------------------Horvath/Turner/Stefan----
     
  16. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    TBH, Jedi and Dest are likely good enough in the attack to not need a specialist attacker.
     
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  17. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    If GB doesn’t trust ARob defensively, why not go 3-4-3 w/McKennie and Adams in the middle of the 4, and ARob and Dest on the wings. One nice thing about this gold cup is the emergence of a couple of reliable center backs.
     
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  18. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be completely honest, last night was the ideal way to use Zardes and a prime example of why he's in my 23. The guy is the classic "hustle player" or "glue guy". If we were talking about a basketball team, Zardes is the guy that just does all of the little things that no one wants to do, but that you need done to win a game. Yes, he's not the most gifted guy technique-wise. Yes, he seems to get a bunch of "lucky bounces". But the guy runs his butt off and seems to be around important moments.

    Again, on first instinct and assuming Musah is healthy, my bench looks like this.

    GK - Whoever isn't starting among Steffen, Horvath, and Turner
    Fullbacks - Moore, one other (probably not Vines, and I use Acosta for LB depth)
    Center backs - McKenzie, Robinson, Sands (also there for CDM depth)
    Mids - Musah (assuming Reyna is a CM), Acosta
    Attackers - Zardes, Sargent, Aaronson/Weah

    Berhalter will bring Lletget, but I just don't think he's best 23 anymore with the attacking depth we have now. He's probably the "first alternate" for a group like this, but others are better.
     
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  19. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Zardes has produced as a starter and as a sub.
     
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  20. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I agree that Zardes is perfect as a sub. His speed and size and work rate must be tough to deal with on tired legs. It makes the odd bad touch less problematic.
     
  21. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Zardes isn't fast. You'll be hard pressed to find clips of him breaking away from defenders.
     
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  22. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I loved Zardes last night and think he's much better than he gets credit for. That said, the best striker on the field last night to me was still Hoppe who was playing the wing due to the team's needs. As much as I've enjoyed this tournament and watching Hoppe from the wing I do think it is a shame we've not had the chance to see him as a striker.
     
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  23. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ill uselessly start by say im not trashing zardes here- but i think he makes a lot more sense being the starter that wears defenders down than the guy you bring on to get a winner. and yes, i saw the two game winners.

    with the unproven options we have, it makes more sense to me to use that raw talent to make something happen against tired legs, not the other way around.

    that said, he wouldnt be more than a rotation/low level guy for me. still not hating, we just all have our preferences.
     
  24. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    aka berhalters roster construction.
     
  25. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I've been crediting Berhalter with a successful tournament but I'm not going to say he shouldn't have brought more wing options.
     
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