Beasley -- Reported DUI

jefbal99 · Apr 19, 2006

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Hey Mike, you've made your point, leave the thread and let those of us that want to discuss the possibility of beasley's arrest and possible punishment from not only the Dutch government but from BA. If the Mod's determine that this is not news worthy then they will shut it down and you can gloat all you want about being right.

Otherwise STFU!!!

Go troll someplace else

Gioca · Apr 19, 2006

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MikeLastort2 said:

The only morons in this thread are the ones saying Beasley is guilty based on an article, written in Dutch, that was published on a web site a week ago.
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Nah, it's you, too bad you can't see it even when everyone else keeps telling ya.

MikeLastort2 · Apr 19, 2006

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jefbal99 said:

Hey Mike, you've made your point, leave the thread and let those of us that want to discuss the possibility of beasley's arrest and possible punishment from not only the Dutch government but from BA. If the Mod's determine that this is not news worthy then they will shut it down and you can gloat all you want about being right.

Otherwise STFU!!!

Go troll someplace else
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I contend that this entire thread is libelous and that people asserting that Beasley is guilty of a DUI, before more facts come to light, are completely out of line.

That is not trolling.

OCKlinsmann · Apr 19, 2006

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Bill Schmidt said:

Depends on the country. In some northern countries, like Denmark, one or two DUIs will get a prison sentence measured in years.
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England seems to have gone in that direction as well. I don't know the details but "drink driving" is something that I would not want to attempt over there.

MikeLastort2 · Apr 19, 2006

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Gioca said:

Nah, it's you, too bad you can't see it even when everyone else keeps telling ya.
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Do you read Dutch?

Has Beasley been convicted of any crime?

jefbal99 · Apr 19, 2006

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MikeLastort2 said:

I contend that this entire thread is libelous and that people asserting that Beasley is guilty of a DUI, before more facts come to light, are completely out of line.

That is not trolling.
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No one in this thread has asserted that he is guilty, people have only speculated as to what might happen to him and what the laws are in Holland. Please, quote one post in which a person asserted that Beasely was guilty. Only WarriorSoccer's first post might fit your criteria.

STFU

IndividualEleven · Apr 19, 2006

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voros said:

The Duke LaCrosse team certainly was so treated.
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Weren't there arrests there?

MikeLastort2 · Apr 19, 2006

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jefbal99 said:

No one in this thread has asserted that he is guilty, people have only speculated as to what might happen to him and what the laws are in Holland. Please, quote one post in which a person asserted that Beasely was guilty. Only WarriorSoccer's first post might fit your criteria.

STFU
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There have been at least a half dozen posts asserting that he's guilty.

How about YOU STFU?

jameseyla · Apr 19, 2006

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thank goodness he gets some street cred now

jefbal99 · Apr 19, 2006

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IndividualEleven said:

Weren't there arrests there?
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Being arrested via a Grand Jury indictment and actually going to trial and being convicted are completely different things. In a Grand Jury, the accused have no way to defend themselves and the prosecutor runs the show. He/she can introduce whatever evidence they want, including hearsay and circumstancual evidence that is not admissable at trial.

jefbal99 · Apr 19, 2006

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MikeLastort2 said:

There have been at least a half dozen posts asserting that he's guilty.

How about YOU STFU?

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Really, I just read through the thread and only found the very first post

all others speculated on punishment, dutch law, werer a joke, or arguing with your ignorant posts

WarriorSoccer · Apr 19, 2006

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Mike, if you would have actually read the first post in the thread I had a link to a message strand in Yanks-Abroad. It was to page six of a thread about Beasley getting fined or something for not claiming everything in customs.

Midway down the page a user started to repost information about his most recent run-in with the law. They gave a quick paraphrase of the story and then the thread got as off topic as this one.

If you had taken the time to read the thread you would have seen that the information was there and properly linked. The yanks-abroad forum is usually one of the most reliable and accurate forums when it comes to any news on bigsoccer.

There are men's national team implications with this. No one really knows the Dutch law, but it is very likely that it could be something like US law where he could have to do community service, have a second hearing, have probation hearings, etc. which could interfere with the lead-in to WC 2006.

You should have taken the thread as it was originally meant, just to link some NEWS in the NEWS and analysis forum to a thread that i figured would be more informative.

Quit your griping, the sooner you give up crying about the thread the sooner it will disappear and the sooner you will be able to sleep at night.

MikeLastort2 · Apr 19, 2006

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jefbal99 said:

Being arrested via a Grand Jury indictment and actually going to trial and being convicted are completely different things. In a Grand Jury, the accused have no way to defend themselves and the prosecutor runs the show. He/she can introduce whatever evidence they want, including hearsay and circumstancual evidence that is not admissable at trial.
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And the same is true in Dutch law?

Really?

Big-Time Crew Fan · Apr 19, 2006

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Another strategy would be... ignore him and maybe he'll go away.

MikeLastort2 · Apr 19, 2006

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WarriorSoccer said:

Mike, if you would have actually read the first post in the thread I had a link to a message strand in Yanks-Abroad. It was to page six of a thread about Beasley getting fined or something for not claiming everything in customs.

Midway down the page a user started to repost information about his most recent run-in with the law. They gave a quick paraphrase of the story and then the thread got as off topic as this one.

If you had taken the time to read the thread you would have seen that the information was there and properly linked. The yanks-abroad forum is usually one of the most reliable and accurate forums when it comes to any news on bigsoccer.

There are men's national team implications with this. No one really knows the Dutch law, but it is very likely that it could be something like US law where he could have to do community service, have a second hearing, have probation hearings, etc. which could interfere with the lead-in to WC 2006.

You should have taken the thread as it was originally meant, just to link some NEWS in the NEWS and analysis forum to a thread that i figured would be more informative.

Quit your griping, the sooner you give up crying about the thread the sooner it will disappear and the sooner you will be able to sleep at night.
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I posted links to the original story from the Dutch site quoted in that thread AND posted a Babelfish "translation" of that story.

WarriorSoccer · Apr 19, 2006

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MikeLastort2 said:

I posted links to the original story from the Dutch site quoted in that thread AND posted a Babelfish "translation" of that story.
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BUT THATS NOT NEWS!!!

DELETE THE THREAD NOW!!! DELETE THE THREAD NOW!!!

jefbal99 · Apr 19, 2006

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MikeLastort2 said:

And the same is true in Dutch law?

Really?
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Actually this was a completly different point. Voros made note of theh recent problems with Duke U's Lacrosse team and how they are tried in the court of public opinion. IndividualEleven made a comment that there were actual proven arrestes in that case, I made a counter point regarding how they were arrested and the process required. It was very off topic and had nothing to do with the netherlands.

I'm so sorry for my sins father, please forgive me and allow me to kiss your feet

jefbal99 · Apr 19, 2006

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Big-Time Crew Fan said:

Another strategy would be... ignore him and maybe he'll go away.
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Formerly there was a joke here

MikeLastort2 · Apr 19, 2006

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jefbal99 said:

Really, I just read through the thread and only found the very first post

all others speculated on punishment, dutch law, werer a joke, or arguing with your ignorant posts
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Are these jokes?

They don't seem too funny to me.

DCUSA said:

He has to go before the judge on April 21. Isn't that the point or am I missing something? Beasley going to jail might have some impact on the team, so that's news about the team. How strict are we here?
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Stogey23 said:

News: A USMNT player has been arrested for DUI.

Analysis: Having a player in jail may affect the USMNT.
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ty webb said:

DMB is a big part of our team, and he is key to our possible success this summer. If he does have to serve jail time, this would negatively affect the team.

How do you not think this is news regarding the NATS? And, why do you care if it is in the right or wrong forum? Are you a moderator?
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appoo said:

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/people/injury/research/pub/DWIothercountries/dwiothercountries.html#_Toc449518794

For first offenders not involved in a traffic accident, fines are graduated according to BAC level. Fines range from a minimum of f390 for BAC of 54-80 mg/100 ml to 2,200 for BAC of 211-250 mg/100 ml ($194.94 to $1,099.65 US).

Suspension of license for BAC level greater than 131 mg/100 ml. Length of suspension increases with BAC level.

2 week imprisonment may be given for BAC over 211 mg/100 ml. Motorists refusing to take evidential breath test incur a penalty equal to that given for BAC level of 211-250 mg/100 ml.
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DiscoWarrior11 said:

Well I hope he learns his lesson... a couple of my friends have had DUIs... and they don't live near any cities so their transportation has been quite limited... I'm sure Beasley won't have a problem like that even if he loses his license... he probably lives in Eindhoven.

Someone should start a poll about what his punishment will be... fine? loss of license? jail time? combination?
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Red Card said:

Being very drunk is one thing, but driving a car at the same time is another thing. He could have killed people, including himself. This is not good.
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All of these are posts based on an article that is about two sentence long written in a language that I'd be willing to bet none of those posters understand. And I'm the ignorant one? Yeah, right.

MikeLastort2 · Apr 19, 2006

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jefbal99 said:

Its much more fun to poke the monkey and throw things at him. See if he'll try to break out of the cage.
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See, that's trolling.

What I'm posting is not.

dark knight · Apr 19, 2006

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Good grief this is ridiculous. Mike - I know I've asked you many times to express your thoughts about News & Analysis standards via reported post or PM. Please consider this a warning that another thread derailment like this will result in a timeout from the forum.

I don't understand why this wouldn't be considered news, but that sidebar discussion stops here. Send me or another mod a PM if you want to make that case.

Q.E.D. · Apr 19, 2006

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I know I have done my share of stupid things, though I'm not accusing anyone else of doing such. That's not an excuse, if in fact there is something to excuse. I am just empathizing, if there is anyone to empathize with.

I agree that no one has claimed in any post on this thread that Beasley is guilty, although I am sure many posters (if not most) are assuming that he is. Even the first post doesn't accuse Bease of DUI, rather it says he was "pulled over for DUI," which was presumably his way of paraphrasing the article.

I suppose the thread starter might have said, "Beasley supposedly was involved in something that might have happened, according to this source."

Note: italicized text added for MikeLastort's benefit, though having to do this on a regular basis could make threads very tedious.

jefbal99 · Apr 19, 2006

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MikeLastort2 said:

Are these jokes?

They don't seem too funny to me.

All of these are posts based on an article that is about two sentence long written in a language that I'd be willing to bet none of those posters understand. And I'm the ignorant one? Yeah, right.

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Yes you are th ignorant one, most of those were speculation, maybe one other than the first post of the thread said he was guilty

Yes, my monkey comment could be construded as trolling, but it was also a very funny joke

Dark Knight, thanks for stepping in here

dark knight · Apr 19, 2006

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Personal attacks are not allowed in this forum. Edit that out please.

DCUSA · Apr 19, 2006

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MikeLastort2 said:

Are these jokes?

They don't seem too funny to me.
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Leave me out of this, man. I guess I should have said 'if' here and there, but it was implied, but now you want to drag me through the mud to win some stupid argument.
Before I thought you were just a little righteous, now you're being a jerk.