Jesus "Sparky" Mendoza birth date: 1/10/1979 birth place: Mexico D.F. birth Nation: Mexico height: 178 weight: 72 nationality: Mexico position: forward Goals Scored in the past two years (6) Adolfo "Bofo" Bautista birth date: 5/15/1979 birth place: Dolores Hidalgo birth Nation: Mexico height: 180 weight: 64 nationality: Mexico position: forward Goals scored in the past two years (10)
Bofogol Rdl and yours truly are having a discussion on who is the overall better player. He think's that Mendoza is better becauae he sits in Americas bench and in two years has only been able to score 6 goals and cant become a regular starter !!! I have been trying to talk some sense into rdl telling him that Bautista is the real deal. Scoring ten goals with a lackluster Tecos squad is a good achievement. Now that he is with Morelia, Bautista will surely double his tally..
no question!! RDL is just kissing up to mendoza because he is America material... But Bautista is kinda like Blanco in his vision and his ingnorance to try anything.. Mendoza is like Palencia in his workrate but too humble to be spectacular.. Bautista is are next Mexican star.. like blanco but mendoza is not bad to have either he never gives up .. But bofo probally doesnt either
Bofo No doubt about it Bofo is better than Mendocrap. I'd bet if Americrap would have a choice between the two they'd surley pick Bofo without a doubt.
Re: Bofogol Rdl and yours truly are having a discussion on who is the overall better player. Not much of a discussion when you are no match for my intellect. He think's that Mendoza is better becauae he sits in Americas bench and in two years has only been able to score 6 goals and cant become a regular starter !!! -Mendoza- Apertura 2002 América Verano 2002 América Invierno 2001 América Verano 2001 América Invierno 2000 América Verano 2000 Chivas Invierno 1999 Chivas Verano 1999 León Invierno 1998 León Verano 1998 León Verano 1997 León -Bautista- Apertura 2002 Morelia Verano 2002 Tecos Invierno 2001 Tecos Verano 2001 Tecos Invierno 2000 Tecos Verano 2000 Tecos Invierno 1999 Tecos Verano 1999 Tecos Invierno 1998 Tecos Verano 1998 Tecos I started to watch Mendoza back in 99 when I was living in Mexico. I studied one semester in Tampico and the other in Monterrey. Also, the Panamerican games were on that summer in Winnepeg. Thats when i started to watch keep my eye out on players such as Mendoza, Nava, Victorino, etc. A couple of them were 19-20. So, I liked Mendoza way before he was with America. In fact he was still with Leon and then he went to Chivas (where I did really hate him for a year or so), and then AMERICA. Afterall, AMerica always tries to go for the very best. Too bad Bofo was never on that list. But you want to talk about starting. Mendoza could go to any team in the MFL and be an automatic starter. Yet, he has to fight and make his keep in America. He has to fight for his fob EVERY day against Lipatin, Zamorano, Blanco, Hernandez, Patiño, etc. And yet, he still started the super clasico. And yet he still saw a lot of playing time last year. His greatest assest is his versatility whereas thats Buatistas biggest liability is his versatility. I have been trying to talk some sense into rdl telling him that Bautista is the real deal. Scoring ten goals with a lackluster Tecos squad is a good achievement. Now that he is with Morelia, Bautista will surely double his tally.. How... the offense was set up for him to score. Athletic ability Mendoza is faster and more mobile. He also weighs more than Bautista but looks skinnier... which means he has more muscle. Position Bautista can only play forward Mendoza can play any position up front and also can play both wings. He is a natural righty, but has always played from the left. Attitute Mendoza is a team player. No temper tantrums. Very unselfish, but selfish when he has to be Buatista... WHOAA dont get me started. A primma Donna and not even a star yet. His teammates hate him. He got into a fight with one of them. THe coach told them to calm down... what does he do?? He waits for the guy after practice to beat the living shyt out of him. Put him in the hospitol where ..broke his nose and had stiches. THENN to make matters worse....the next day during the team meeting.. when the players want to know what the deal was... he threatens to beat the shyt out of every teammate AND I MEAN EVERYONE. the assistant coach had to get him out of there and escort him out. One of his teammates said, "After he got called up to the national team, his feet has not touched the ground" I am surprised VS did not include that? But he is trying to steal your vote. Afterall.. he post a picture of Buatista against America... and only post a pic of Mendoza that looks more of a passport... VS, since you dont keep up with the youth players... since you dont even know about people like Garza or Nava ...tell me about Bofo as a young 17 year old on the youth team? Was he even on that team? I know Mendoza has matured quite nicely.. and gone up through the ranks
WOW.. VS you have toot on your side... Now I know I am right... Cmon VS... I is waiting... what are their track records? BTW... if you are looking at stat sheets... thats cool... I can go off of games that I have watched.. VS is just mad that he lost the best to me and that he has to pay me Premuim membershio services.. JAJAJAJAAJAJ
versatile?? Blanco isnt versatile.? Blanco has a temper blanco sometimes isnt a team player and blanco is a Pre modanna but it doesnt stop him from being one of the best forwards mexico has had << Bauitista is the same you see magic with bautista you dont see it with mendoza ...
toot86 Once again Toot speaks the truth. Preach on brotha Toot, that we must set rdl on the path of righteousness. Let me just add, that if Mendoza was as good as RDL wants us to believe Club America would of never bought Hernandez, Lipatin or Zamorano. Not even when Blanco left to Valladolid on loan was Mendoza able to secure a starting spot. Instead Patino came from La Piedad and has had more of an impact.. Now Bautista on the other hand, with less time in Primera is allready becoming one of Mexicos best strikers. This year looks like he will dominate the MFL his past two games with Morelia have been excellent..
Re: versatile?? Blanco is versatile...He can play any position up front. Attacking mid. And both wings. You are crazy if you think Bautista is versatile. That guy has two right feet. Like I said... that guy just runs down the sideline... makes a break for it...and either turns over the ball or hits it wide...And when he does score... it does look beautiful and that is why they hype him up so much.... but he is not real consistant. You have to be careful with TV making your stars. They will pass that clip over and over and over.. and pretty soon you will think that he is a star...
Re: toot86 Hold up VS... use a little bit more of your brain here... but if he does not get enought playing time... and Bofo is an automatic starter.... how is it that bofo only has ten and Chuwy only has 6. Thats not a big difference in goals. Could it be that time Chuy does play.. he actually makes the most of it. remember VS... Chuwy works hard day in and day out because he knows that if he sneezes wrong.. that he will find himself in the second division.... OHHHH I forgot Bofo was sent down to the second division last year.. HAHAHAAH Please dont say one of Mexico's best strickers.. please dont.... VS... i understand that you dont have access to all of Mexico;s news and stuf... but dont let Azteca America fool you. You always talked shyt about Hernandez being s side show and how he use to interrupt the program with his orgies and shyt... What about Bofo? His teammates hate him.... please dont contradict yourself.
I tell you what VS.... it doesnt take much to win you over.... If you were a girl.. I bet any guy would score with you with a happy meal.. You pumped up de Nigris too be something he is not. You did the same with Melvin Brown You did the same with Eduardo Isella You did the same with Bofo Bautista Just dont do it to Aldo de Nigris. And the guys that you should be doing them to.. you wont because they play for America.... Castro, Salinas, Mendoza...... Alll young guys that have worked hard... busted thier ass..... Its real easy for America to go buy, but the fact that these kids are actually starting at the ages of 19-20-21... and doing it on a consistant basis.. means that they are good. Otherwise... America would turn the other way and buy one... I am not going to lie.... America sometimes will buy a player instead of making one. They have made a lot of great ones.. but I want them to make even more instead of buying them... and that is why i like the fact that players like Castro, Sanchez, Becerra, Salinas all are coming from America's reserves... and the fact that they want to relocate and build something (many people are speculating an academy) will be good not for America, but for Mexican football. Dont do it to Pity or Lopez or Castro or Salinas .. let them play...
Re: 1 question Do scoring against Central American teams count? Pleasseeeee toot... dont even attempt to grow a brain on me... When I want your opinion.. I will give it to you..
************ You pumped up de Nigris too be something he is not. De Nigris was at one point a leading goalscorer in the MFL. since then Moneterrey had two bad seasons that obviously affected his oportunitys. All in all De Nigris has scored more goals in one season than Mendoxza has done in two years. You did the same with Melvin Brown Melvin Brown went to the World Cup, Mendoza didnt. He is still a young player with a bright future ahead of him. Remeber the Terresa Herrera Cup, Melvin was one of Cruz Azuls stand out players. You did the same with Eduardo Isella Isella is still in Primera division. He has been having a hard time. Lets wait and see what he does with Chiapas this season.. You did the same with Bofo Bautista. Is he not tearing it up with Morelia
Re: ************ De Nigris was at one point a leading goalscorer in the MFL. since then Moneterrey had two bad seasons that obviously affected his oportunitys. He has never finished top goal scorer in the MFL. And the fact that they spanaird coach and the coach that was there last year... set up the offense for him. All in all De Nigris has scored more goals in one season than Mendoxza has done in two years. Yet, de Nigris has not done real well on the national team.. and before you bring up the games againbst Brazil, Liberia, and Jamaica..... what other games has he scored on that actually meant something? Melvin Brown went to the World Cup, Mendoza didnt. He is still a young player with a bright future ahead of him. Remeber the Terresa Herrera Cup, Melvin was one of Cruz Azuls stand out players. And he lost his starting job. Going into the World Cup... he was slipping and he is still slipping. Isella is still in Primera division. He has been having a hard time. Lets wait and see what he does with Chiapas this season.. Pleasee forget that fooool Is he not tearing it up with Morelia 2 games? Come on? Thats premature... dont you think? But why do you fail to talk about his departure with Tecos? Or the fact that that his teammates dont like him? Or his past? What the hell has he done on the national team? Jesus... its really pathetic on your part to get a boner because he scored against sorry ass guatemala's team
rdl He has never finished top goal scorer in the MFL. No he hasnt but neither has Mendoza. I was just pointing out that he used to top the charts, at least De Nigris was in the top five leading goalscorers. I doubt Mendoza has ever been ranked that high.. And the fact that they spanaird coach and the coach that was there last year... set up the offense for him. That means a lot. Considering that De Nigris is a rookie shows how much potential he has for a squad to be built around him.. Yet, de Nigris has not done real well on the national team.. And neither has Mendoza. I think De Nigris scored more goals in el Tri than Mendoza did, and Mendoza played more games !!! This discussion is about Bautista vs Mendoza so dont bring in other players. A strikers job is to score goals, At the end of the season we shall see which player has been more effective..
Bautista by far. There is no way that one can say that Mendoza is faster and more skillful than Bofo. The people who have said that Mendoza is more of a rugged figher player are right. His kind of like Palencia of old. But he doesn't have the vision and speed that Bofo has. If anyone sees his game against Morelia with Tecos on the liguilla (the year Santos won) you would see that. As for RD74, I think you may be biased for America. I know that all those young players America has are great, they really are. I give kudos to them. But to say that they are better than Melvin Brown I think is biased. Brown already has proven himself in the libertadores and with the national team ( He was great against Honduras). He has nothing to envy for the Americanistas. In the end I think they are both talented but Bofo more and in the end both get risk to not develop as I thought has happened with Mendoza. But Bofo is the most talented.
************ If Mendoza is as Quick, Agile and deadly with either feet....fast.... can give good head...... ect like you say then why hasnt he been able to become a starting player in America. Why isnt he ever one of the Top goalscorer in the League. Not only that but he doesnt have that many assist's. You are Hyping up a WorkHorse who is more of a One trick Pony. He is a limited player and wont get very far. He does not have the potential that De Nigris and Bofo are capable of achieving.
rdl = Really Dumd Lad I knew americanistas were a bunch of idiots but i never thought they were as stupid as you, GAWD!! Get it through your small brain moron, just because Mendocrap is in americrap does NOT mean that he's better than Bofo. I recognise that he's a fast player but when you say that he's agile, skillfull and deadly with either feet you are definitely talking out of your a*shole. Everytime I see him play he does the same thing, dribbling past his marker but he falls down or the ball gets taken away from him and what about his horrible shooting. I swear he has one of the worst shots in the league. You say Bofo was the go-to guy with Tecos, I could have sworn that Navia was the go-to goalscorer for that team. Bofo had plenty of assists last season as he has now in just 2 games with morelia. Oh and Bofo got sent to the 2nd division because he beat up his teamate NOT because he was playing bad.
Its not as if America is as talented as you say, you make it sound as if they have Inzaghi and all that. Granted that with Blanco back, it will be tough for him but last year they even had Luis and still Mendoza sat on the bench at times. There is no way that Mendoza is faster and quicker than Bofo. And I seen both play a lot especially Bofo with Tecos. Im not stupid and know soccer. Bofo is just better. As for Brown, his level has dropped but at least he reached it and I think better than any of America's young players. The America's players are good but Brown is just as if not better. That being said, I hope he gets going again and up to know I think he has improved from that slump of Azul last season.
Re: rdl = Really Dumd Lad I knew americanistas were a bunch of idiots but i never thought they were as stupid as you, GAWD!! this coming from a Pumas fan is actually a compliment. Thanks Get it through your small brain moron, just because Mendocrap is in americrap does NOT mean that he's better than Bofo. Did I ever say that? No I didnt. This is about a player that has moved up the ranks from the sub 17 to the sub 20 to the sub 23 and now on to the national team. A guy that went from crappy Leon to Chivas to America. (I thought that most peons always hated Televisa and America because they would buy thier best players. HMMMMM) But this is not about America. This is about a team bigger than America.. the Mexican National team. Are you still pissed that we sent you packing your bags last season.. TSK TSK TSK I recognise that he's a fast player but when you say that he's agile, skillfull and deadly with either feet you are definitely talking out of your a*shole. He is fast. His agility and his ability to get past a defender is better than Bofo. deadly with both feet.. HMMM lets think about this genius...... think real hard with your educmacation... He is a natural righty... but has always played from the left. HMMMM It indicates that he can dominate the ball with either feet. I know they they are all professionals, but not everyone utuilze the other foot with the same ability of that of thier natural foot. Mendoza is able to do that. What? I didnt hear you? Were you choking on your words. Wha wha what?? come again... thanks Everytime I see him play he does the same thing, dribbling past his marker but he falls down or the ball gets taken away from him and what about his horrible shooting. I swear he has one of the worst shots in the league. Couldnt think of anything to say.. rather you copy what i had to say about Bofo and just punch in mendoza's name? how original You say Bofo was the go-to guy with Tecos, I could have sworn that Navia was the go-to goalscorer for that team. Bofo had plenty of assists last season as he has now in just 2 games with morelia. Was the offense not set up for Bofo? Do they not play from the right side? Thanks and Bofo got sent to the 2nd division because he beat up his teamate NOT because he was playing bad. Holy jesus... you are a live one... go back and re read the first couple post.....and you will see that you are just repeating what I had said. You say it like that is normal..."awwwee yeah, he just beat up on of his teammates .. nothing bad," He is a phucking headcase... not only does Uribe break up the fight. He then ask Bofo if he is okay... bofo says.. yeah.. its over..... then Bofo waits for him.. and attacks him from behind near the locker room and knees his face... On top of that... he also threatened every team mate... he said, "Who is next?" Man.... like I said.... you get more bang for your buck with Mendoza and with less drama.... BTW? Other than the highlights that Los Protagnistas show you...what has Bofo done in the youth teams? I know you guys are calling him the next great thing ... after he scored against El Salvador .. or was it Guatemala.... but... only time will tell
Trust me, Mendoza is faster and quicker with the ball also. well, I have seen both of them play alot. I have also seen Mendoza play a lot longer on the youth teams. I remember seeing the game from Winnepeg in 99 and in the sub 20 when they played in Nigeria...I also saw Mendoza play in the libertadores. His track record speaks for itself. Funny... I too know soccer..I may not know the color of my mother's eyes. I may not know the name of the 57th chick that i have banged. But I know soccer and especially know Mexican soccer. And unlike certain people here on this board who talk about certain teams but dont ever watch them play... I watch every team play. Granted.. teams like Celaya put me to sleep.. but i watch every team. The fact that he scored a goal against Guat or El...and that some crazy rumors about Perugia.. you guys want to believe that he is a star. Fine.....
I have watched them play and recently not in 99 when Jp Rodriguez and Osorno were on the brink of greatness. And saw all the libertadores games where Mendoza didn't stand out from the rest. And I also see plenty of Mexican soccer and Im sure people do so here too. Plus I don't follow a team so im not as biased as some people who think that every America players is better than the rest or that every Chivas players is better etc. (And Im not refering to anyone here on this boards but to many fans of the MFL who suport teams). So you can keep your arrogance about how you are the one who truly knows about MFL and the rest of us are idiots but there still no way that Mendoza is faster and more skillful than Bofo.