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Discussion in 'Pro Indoor Soccer' started by Wave Fan, Feb 26, 2016.
I'd like to get a couple buddies together and do a road trip out to C.R. next season.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if Cedar Rapids announces that they're transferring the franchise to Baltimore?
Short term problems
The Blast deserve to be in MASL playoffs, has Ed paid the $15k. Is MASL really going to throw out the Blast if he doesn't pay?
Long term problems
Actually too numerous to mention
I don't care if Ed communicated by letter, carrier pigeon, telefax or sign language. To actively recruit teams in the league that you are an active partner in to a new league that you want to start violates non-compete agreement.
But shouldn't this be handled in the courts, rather than wrecking the playoffs?
From what i am hearing in Baltimore , No he has not and No the MASL wont , That would create more bad press and the league would also be in breach of contract. Its a no win situation
Humor us and please list them all
Once again , you are going by what was reported and what you seen on Facebook. No one know what was in those letters. Or if he actually mailed them. He said he invited them.
So, you're saying that maybe Ed Hale is a liar. Because he's the one who said he sent out the letters inviting the other teams to join the IPL. Those are his words, his description, of what he has done. Not other people's.
The law is not always as black-and-white as some of you all make it out to be. Heck, there could have been fraud in the inducement when Hale joined the MASL. He could have been told the league would be set up properly (and not to worry about it when he was leaving the MISL), or could have been told that it wouldn't be franchisor-franchisee at the beginning but it would change the next year. This, as an example, would allow him out of the contract (and the noncompete clause). Furthermore, some of you all need to be careful in your wording - falsely accusing someone of comitting a crime is libel (written defamation) for which you can be sued. And Syd, please leave the discussion if you can't contribute (I'm going to stay nice, because I've been having a great week!).
before you bring the letters into the discussion, do you have a copy of them? Simply stating he is going to make a new league next year (i.e. announcing the IPL) does NOT violate noncompete agreement. It's just an announcement. Now getting them to sign an agreement or something other of the sort could be a violation of the noncompete agreement. But you must be able to show proof if you are going to make blanket statements like that.
Tell us more, Professor.
There could have been a lot of things. But Ed Hale is a shrewd enough businessman to know that verbal promises usually aren't worth much in a court of law.
I'm glad you're having a nice week. Falsely accusing someone of a crime is libel, but I don't see where anyone has accused Mr. Hale of a crime. At worst, he's been accused of breaching a non-compete clause in a contract, which isn't a crime. If Hale did that, there might be a civil remedy for it, depending if the non-compete clause is enforceable. Not wanting to bore anyone who isn't already bored with this discussion, I won't go into the factors used in determining validity of non-compete clauses.
You really really really don't understand anything to do with contracts or law, do you? Let's start with the most obvious one, the libel claim. First off, despite what you claimed, no one here has actually accused Hale of a crime what's been brought up is potential contract violations, which are all civil matters not criminal matters. Libel laws in the US are incredibly in favor of the defendant and in order for Hale to even attempt at enforcing those meager laws he'd have to claim he's not a public figure. With his news interviews it'd be dead simple to show him as a public figure which raises the bar of libel to somewhere near the international space station. Nothing said in here would be anywhere close to libel. You're an idiot.
Second, being told that it would transition wouldn't get him out of his contract requirements. He signed the paperwork to join the league and operate under those guidelines. If it had an early termination fee or something similar he might be able to argue in civil court that he should be released from that but until he actually left and was no longer receiving the benefits of membership, generally, he'd still be expected to operate by their guidelines. He'd have to have massive proof and be given very specific promises releasing him from those restrictions in order for that to override his written contract to that extent. Even then, he'd likely have a rough go of it in an actual court. For your claim that he might be able to claim fraud on his contract with MASL he'd basically have to set himself up, in court, as an uninformed investor, claiming that all those fast talking bad people swindled him into signing something he didn't understand and didn't mean to. Suffice to say, that's not going to happen and that's not going to pass muster for any number of reasons. Mostly because he was pretty involved himself in the creation of the original MASL agreements.
Third, the exact wording of the letters doesn't actually matter that much thanks to his public statements on what the letters were actually intended to be! When he publicly stated that the letters were invitations to join the IPL they effectively became letters to join the IPL. When he said that the letters were intended to invite people into the IPL and that he expected teams to accept those letters then even if it was simply, "Hey look this new league is forming next year, and they are going to be kickin' rad!" it would still constitute recruitment and a violation of any potential league rule against recruiting active members away from the league. Maybe if he hadn't run to the media he could continue the illusion of non-recruitment but this is an example where his own words have clearly shot him in the foot.
Fortunately there are people who actually know what's going on so we don't have to base our opinions on the hypothetical theorizing of a contrarian simpleton you bring to the discussion.
I am not going to get into what was done or said, but I did notice that the MASL standings page now lists all the playoff teams, including the Blast. No idea what order that is, not alphabetical nor by division. http://pointstreaksites.com/view/masl/standings-311
It amazes me how the community on this board act towards each other, if only there was an example I could reference of other people acting this way towards each other, oh wait, there is, the MASL owners.
Yes, but look carefully, it's the only game that has an asterisk and is listed as "subject to change". That means IMO the matter is still not settled.
As of today I was told its being handled by his lawyers ..
The Hon. Ed Hale makes the rules. He doesn't have to follow them. The Blast will be in the MASL playoffs and win easily. They will then make the IPL a great league while the MASL withers away to nothing. By 2018, the MASL will be lucky to have 3-4 rec center teams while the IPL will be flourishing.
I remember when the NISL was going to restore the sport to its glory days of the 1980s.
Good times. Good times.
He's, like, 20 years old. HE DOESN'T UNDERSTAND EFF-ALL.
This all sounds well and good , But have you forgotten that the blast have not beaten the comets once this year , If the Blast get past Syracuse , We are going to face Missouri ..
Unless Chicago or Milwaukee pull the upset, which can happen
It's not like Missouri killed us Lewis. 2 of their wins are coin flips IMO, 1. won in OT, and 2. won on Vanzela misplay.
Missouri could very well beat the Blast again, but I would say Baltimore has a good shot as well in that series. It would be close and very good for sure.
And that is exactly why Hale doesn't like Missouri and doesn't want them in his new league...the Blast can't beat them!